Wessexman

I notice you didn't mention Charlie boy.

I don't mind the Monarchy, after all what can they do from Bavaria..............

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"A steady patriot of the world alone, The friend of every country but his own. "
-George Canning

I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality.
-John Randolph

A spirit of innovation is generally the result of a selfish temper and confined views. People will not look forward to posterity, who never look backward to their ancestors.
-Edmund Burke

Leopold Kohr.

Wessexman

The parliament evolved as a judicial body similar in many ways to the French parlements but also having some similarities to the estates and estates-general. However unlike the French parliament it did not detach from the Curia regis and it is probably wrong to say it evolved from the crown. That seems to me to suggest the wrong kind of ideas of sovereignty for the middle ages.

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"A steady patriot of the world alone, The friend of every country but his own. "
-George Canning

I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality.
-John Randolph

A spirit of innovation is generally the result of a selfish temper and confined views. People will not look forward to posterity, who never look backward to their ancestors.
-Edmund Burke

Leopold Kohr.

Wessexman

I must say the use of terms like collectivism used as it has been here is neither relevant nor useful.

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"A steady patriot of the world alone, The friend of every country but his own. "
-George Canning

I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality.
-John Randolph

A spirit of innovation is generally the result of a selfish temper and confined views. People will not look forward to posterity, who never look backward to their ancestors.
-Edmund Burke

Leopold Kohr.

noachian

I was simply repeating what smidgey was accusing me of; he is the one throwing the word around like its 'And' or 'The'.

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"A Monarchy which above all, values the Liberty of the subject." Marcus Aurelius on perfect society.

"Control thy passions, lest they take vengeance on thee." - Epictetus.

Wessexman

I know, I was talking about Smidgey's usage of the term.

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"A steady patriot of the world alone, The friend of every country but his own. "
-George Canning

I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality.
-John Randolph

A spirit of innovation is generally the result of a selfish temper and confined views. People will not look forward to posterity, who never look backward to their ancestors.
-Edmund Burke

Leopold Kohr.

Smidgey

It is useful in this context because it is the truth.

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How vain is man, who boasts in fight the valour of gigantic might!

-Georg Friedrich Händel

Smidgey

That wasn't my point.

Indeed - but you don't have to listen and be educated (which you are clearly doing ).

Just because I don't have the right to educate doesn't mean I can't try if you are willing to listen (and vice versa). I don't have a right to live in a house - but I still do.

I'm a republican because I'm a libertarian, sorry. A libertarian cannot support someone who makes pro-EU speeches (such as Prince Charles).

If the monarchy was absolute and enacted only libertarian policies - then I would not be a republican, but as you stated in another thread - you are talking about the British monarchy, which is sadly not libertarian and supports very much the opposite (as shown by Prince Charles' speech to the EU).

I will forgive you because you couldn't be more wrong. You know nothing about my personal life and I would prefer if you kept opinions about how I act around others to yourself.

Furthermore, this is a conversation about the monarchy - not about society. You have done this again and again, the two are not the same thing. My arguments against the state simply cannot be applied to society and to do so is a straw man on your part.

Right back at you.

Your queen, not mine.

Further, notice how you call me arrogant and yet in two threads you have implied that I am immoral and a liar and just not called me self-deluded.

Then why do you state that me being moral because it is right and not because of the law is something that you cannot believe? You have just contradicted yourself here. I have never followed the law (in the criminal sense - obviously I had to in the civil sense to get a job and such) and for some reason you do not believe that in the other thread, yet you contradict that very notion here.

Okay, but then why do you go onto say this:

Which contradicts what you just said...

So do I! This is extremely frustrating. Do you actually read what I write?

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How vain is man, who boasts in fight the valour of gigantic might!

-Georg Friedrich Händel

noachian

Then you are not a republican because you are a libertarian; your a republican simply on republican terms, which I can except.

Anyways; I see what you are arguing with me for; I am saying that I support the British Crown yet I am caliming myself a Libertarian, but you are saying this is impossible since the British Crown does not hold libertarian sentiments...right? I would say that the British Crown Did have Libertarian sentiments at certain point in history.

Anyways, I am trying to say I support the British Crown as appose to the European Federal laws. I am not a Monarchist because I am a libertarian, I am a Monarchist because most aspects of Monarchical philosophy I support. Besides the monarchy istelf doesn't conflict my Libertarian views. What the Crown enforces (and by Crown I mean all institutions of the Crown, mainly the Commons) I may not agree with, but I see my own right and many of the laws evolved from the Crown over centuries as a far better alternative to the European Federal laws.

I hope you understand why I support the Monarchy?

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"A Monarchy which above all, values the Liberty of the subject." Marcus Aurelius on perfect society.

"Control thy passions, lest they take vengeance on thee." - Epictetus.

Northumbrian

The United Republic? What a ghastly name.

I want the 'Kingdom of England' back!

Wessexman

Not really. Any real decent analysis must go beyond methodological individualism and hence be open to being called "collectivist" but unless it is talking about completely absorbing individual identity and individuals in complete abstractions, like fascists or Orthodox Marxists, then it is not really good to call it collectivist.

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"A steady patriot of the world alone, The friend of every country but his own. "
-George Canning

I am an aristocrat. I love liberty; I hate equality.
-John Randolph

A spirit of innovation is generally the result of a selfish temper and confined views. People will not look forward to posterity, who never look backward to their ancestors.
-Edmund Burke

Leopold Kohr.