Should the police fight drug barons or continue to ignore them

Ken · 19-05-2008, 05:39 AM

Even by the standards of gangland executions, it was a ruthless hit. The gunman sauntered up to his target outside a gym on a Liverpool council estate. From under his jacket he calmly produced a pump-action shotgun and, from close range, aimed at his target's head. Colin 'Smigger' Smith, Britain's so-called Cocaine King with an estimated personal fortune of £200m, was dead.

Six months on, his assassin remains at large despite a massive police investigation. Only now, though, can the circumstances behind the murder of Britain's biggest cocaine baron be revealed. It is a vicious tale of duplicity, violence and retribution in the shadowy world of international drug dealing.

But Smith's killing carries more profound implications, threatening a ferocious war between Britain's original drug syndicate, the so-called Liverpool mafia, and the largest Colombian cocaine suppliers to Europe, the Cali cartels. At stake, say underworld sources, is control of Britain's £2bn cocaine market. They revealed that Merseyside's crime gangs believe Colombian cartels ordered the hit on Smith over a missing consignment of the Class A narcotic worth £72m.

Merseyside police are aware of at least one meeting in which the heads of Liverpool's cocaine trade met and agreed to avenge the death of Smith, a high-stakes player whose 1,000kg deals were legendary and sometimes affected the price of cocaine throughout Britain. Police throughout Europe are concerned that any attempt by Liverpool's gangs to target the Cali cartel's sophisticated cocaine distribution network will produce a spate of killings.

Sources in Amsterdam, where Liverpudlians and Colombians operate together to disseminate cocaine across the continent, claim that Liverpudlian expat dealers in Amsterdam, Spain, Portugal, Bulgaria, Turkey and South America - allied to the Merseyside mafia - have been warned to prepare for a 'mafia-style bloodbath'. Already Liverpool dealers are understood to have shot at least one senior Colombian cocaine emissary in Amsterdam.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...rnationalcrime

The Bear · 19-05-2008, 07:19 AM

Legalise all drugs and let nature and market forces take their respective tolls.

To try to keep drugs illegal is akin to trying to outlaw sex. To keep drugs illegal simply sends the price sky high.

Let those who want to screw themselves with poison do so, the glamour would soon wear off for those who today might see drugs as a form of rebellion when they see a few corpses around.

Let drugs be available like booze, licensed outlets, taxed, and sold by the “underground” not at inflated prices but cut price so removing the imperative to turn to crime to pay for the habit.

It’s a classic “win win” scenario.

Mikeuk · 19-05-2008, 07:31 AM

Round up the druggies. Kill half of them. Let the other half witness the executions. One third to be hanged, one third machine-gunned and one third blown from field guns.

Continue the policy until pushers and druggies either desist or are exterminated.

The country is over-populated. Get rid of the vermin.

BonnieDundee · 19-05-2008, 07:50 AM

The drug barons are the states creations. Remove the silly prohibition laws and you'll remove most of the problem.

tito · 19-05-2008, 08:02 AM

BonnieDundee said it for me

Ea of Dune · 19-05-2008, 11:51 AM

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Continue the policy until pushers and druggies either desist or are exterminated.

That policy has been tried in places like Thailand, China and Iran to certain degrees and it hasn't worked.

An article on Iran for example: Afghanistan's Role in Iran's Drug Problem - Council on Foreign Relations

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Originally, government authorities, not unlike America’s drug czars in the 1980s, mainly addressed the supply side of Iran’s drug problem. Law-and-order policies with zero tolerance led to the arrest of tens of thousands of addicts and the execution of thousands of narcotics traffickers. “Iran is the only country I know of that had a similar rate of imprisonment for drug users as America,” Reuter says. There are an estimated 68,000 Iranians imprisoned for drug trafficking and another 32,000 for drug addiction (out of a total prison population of 170,000, based on 2001 statistics), according to RFE/RL’s Samii. Tehran also has spent millions of dollars and deployed thousands of troops to secure its porous 1,000-mile border with Afghanistan and Pakistan. Experts say a few hundred Iranian drug police die each year in battles with smugglers. “You have drug groups like guerrilla forces,” the head of Iran’s UNODC office, Roberto Arbitrio, told the Times of London last year. “They shoot heavily with rocket launchers, heavy machine guns, and Kalashnikovs.” Under Khatami, the government’s attitude on drugs changed and more emphasis was placed on prevention and addiction-treatment programs. Yet since President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a conservative hard-liner, came to power last year, Samii says Iran’s drug policy has been reconsidered and shifted back toward supply interdiction and boosting border security.

From Amnesty on Thailand:

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Suchart Thaokhamthong was executed by firing squad on 26 June. He had been sentenced to death in 1996 for possession of 45,000 methamphetamine tablets with intent to sell.

China:
39 Drug Executions in China - New York Times

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China has executed at least 39 people for drug offenses over the last two days after big public rallies against drug abuse and trafficking in several provinces, officials and newspapers said today. The executions and the public burning of confiscated drugs are part of China's propaganda activities for the international day against drug abuse today.

Anyway I have got nothing against people smoking on their own property and that includes weed etc. I don't know why so many on the Rght care about somebody smoking a bit of pot to be honest.I don' smoke cigarettes or anything else and I've never had a problem with my quality of life being effected by drug smokers.

The majority of the crime is caused by the prohibition,like the booze ban in the US did with the likes of Capone etc. If it was legalised the drugs market would collapse along with the weapons trade, crime and other illicit activites associated with it.
There has been loads of studies done into this yet some people seem to think the "ban it" brigade have got it right, hence why we still have a drugs trade and shootings etc.

Enforcing the prohibition costs us millions every year anyway, if we actually legalised and heavily taxed the products the tax money could be ring fenced for the NHS.

Maybe when it's treated like a health issue, which is what it is then inroads will be found the help those addicted. I think drug additiction is sad state for people to be in, but I don' think machine gunning them is the answer, unless you live in Nazi Germany, or China.

Ea of dune

Ea of Dune · 19-05-2008, 12:38 PM

Watch this:

YouTube - Operation Sudden Fall

Very interesting, interview with US Judges etc.

Ea of dune

g hall · 19-05-2008, 01:31 PM

Ah the kill all users and dealers or legalise drugs argument AGAIN

Ea of Dune · 19-05-2008, 01:39 PM

Yep reminds me of that poll that was on here a while back

Ea of dune

British-Conservatism · 19-05-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

The drug barons are the states creations. Remove the silly prohibition laws and you'll remove most of the problem.

I would agree on most drugs but not heroin or crack cocaine.

Legalised Opium in China for example was a disaster 27% of its adult male population was addicted—13.5 million addicts consuming 39,000 tons of opium yearly.

19-05-2008, 05:39 AM	#1 (permalink)
Ken Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 214	Should the police fight drug barons or continue to ignore them Even by the standards of gangland executions, it was a ruthless hit. The gunman sauntered up to his target outside a gym on a Liverpool council estate. From under his jacket he calmly produced a pump-action shotgun and, from close range, aimed at his target's head. Colin 'Smigger' Smith, Britain's so-called Cocaine King with an estimated personal fortune of £200m, was dead. Six months on, his assassin remains at large despite a massive police investigation. Only now, though, can the circumstances behind the murder of Britain's biggest cocaine baron be revealed. It is a vicious tale of duplicity, violence and retribution in the shadowy world of international drug dealing. But Smith's killing carries more profound implications, threatening a ferocious war between Britain's original drug syndicate, the so-called Liverpool mafia, and the largest Colombian cocaine suppliers to Europe, the Cali cartels. At stake, say underworld sources, is control of Britain's £2bn cocaine market. They revealed that Merseyside's crime gangs believe Colombian cartels ordered the hit on Smith over a missing consignment of the Class A narcotic worth £72m. Merseyside police are aware of at least one meeting in which the heads of Liverpool's cocaine trade met and agreed to avenge the death of Smith, a high-stakes player whose 1,000kg deals were legendary and sometimes affected the price of cocaine throughout Britain. Police throughout Europe are concerned that any attempt by Liverpool's gangs to target the Cali cartel's sophisticated cocaine distribution network will produce a spate of killings. Sources in Amsterdam, where Liverpudlians and Colombians operate together to disseminate cocaine across the continent, claim that Liverpudlian expat dealers in Amsterdam, Spain, Portugal, Bulgaria, Turkey and South America - allied to the Merseyside mafia - have been warned to prepare for a 'mafia-style bloodbath'. Already Liverpool dealers are understood to have shot at least one senior Colombian cocaine emissary in Amsterdam. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...rnationalcrime

19-05-2008, 07:19 AM	#2 (permalink)
The Bear Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East Anglia Posts: 2,178	Legalise all drugs and let nature and market forces take their respective tolls. To try to keep drugs illegal is akin to trying to outlaw sex. To keep drugs illegal simply sends the price sky high. Let those who want to screw themselves with poison do so, the glamour would soon wear off for those who today might see drugs as a form of rebellion when they see a few corpses around. Let drugs be available like booze, licensed outlets, taxed, and sold by the “underground” not at inflated prices but cut price so removing the imperative to turn to crime to pay for the habit. It’s a classic “win win” scenario. __________________ I am an old man. I have eaten much salt.

19-05-2008, 07:50 AM	#4 (permalink)
BonnieDundee Uber Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Between Mallaig and Cornwall. Posts: 2,451	The drug barons are the states creations. Remove the silly prohibition laws and you'll remove most of the problem. __________________ "It is poor civic hygiene to install technologies that could someday facilitate a police state." -Bruce Schneier How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and pss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.* Edward Abbey Leopold Kohr.

19-05-2008, 01:31 PM	#8 (permalink)
g hall Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,940	Ah the kill all users and dealers or legalise drugs argument AGAIN __________________ "That government is best which governs least." "This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries". "To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful."

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19-05-2008, 07:31 AM	#3 (permalink)
Mikeuk Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fareham Posts: 5,521	Round up the druggies. Kill half of them. Let the other half witness the executions. One third to be hanged, one third machine-gunned and one third blown from field guns. Continue the policy until pushers and druggies either desist or are exterminated. The country is over-populated. Get rid of the vermin.

19-05-2008, 01:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
Ea of Dune Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hell Posts: 1,016	Yep reminds me of that poll that was on here a while back Ea of dune