Should the police fight drug barons or continue to ignore them

British-Conservatism · 19-05-2008, 08:51 PM

The Mao Zedong government is generally credited with eradicating both consumption and production of opium during the 1950s using unrestrained repression and social reform. Ten million addicts were forced into compulsory treatment, dealers were executed, and opium-producing regions were planted with new crops.

A fine example I think of what can be done here.

Ea of Dune · 19-05-2008, 09:04 PM

BC> Crack cocaine I believe is a by-product of the cocaine industry in that they took cocaine and made it stronger and cheaper due to the drug war being fought in the US in the 80's and the fact that coke was a rich mans drug.
If society had control over the drugs trade then things like this could easily be eradicated and the appauling social problems that go along with it countered.
I really can't understand what all this gerrymandering over marajuana has achieved to be honest, it's made the government look like a bunch of tools.

Think I'll stick with a nice glass of wine and a good English ale myself though

Ea of dune

BonnieDundee · 20-05-2008, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

The Mao Zedong government is generally credited with eradicating both consumption and production of opium during the 1950s using unrestrained repression and social reform. Ten million addicts were forced into compulsory treatment, dealers were executed, and opium-producing regions were planted with new crops.

A fine example I think of what can be done here.

They did that by simply "removing" those who would not conform. Mao is history's greatest serial killer, I'd rather not go that way personally and that is only way to really eliminate the problem however.

BonnieDundee · 20-05-2008, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

I would agree on most drugs but not heroin or crack cocaine.

Legalised Opium in China for example was a disaster 27% of its adult male population was addicted—13.5 million addicts consuming 39,000 tons of opium yearly.

I'd love to see crack removed as well and Meth but not heroin so much, it is not as bad. But I doubt prohibition will help.

On those China stats I doubt them. Most Chinese were dirt poor peasants and would of known little of it. It also must be remembered the British literally pushed Opium on the Chinese.

British-Conservatism · 20-05-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

They did that by simply "removing" those who would not conform. Mao is history's greatest serial killer, I'd rather not go that way personally and that is only way to really eliminate the problem however.

If you do not have the moral will to do what needs to be do then just elect some one who will.

BonnieDundee · 21-05-2008, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by British-Conservatism

If you do not have the moral will to do what needs to be do then just elect some one who will.

I have the moral will to be what has to be done, ie the end of all drug prohibition. That is what should be done.

Your embrace of one of history's greatest monsters is disturbing.

HighlandFP · 21-05-2008, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bear

Legalise all drugs and let nature and market forces take their respective tolls.

To try to keep drugs illegal is akin to trying to outlaw sex. To keep drugs illegal simply sends the price sky high.

Let those who want to screw themselves with poison do so, the glamour would soon wear off for those who today might see drugs as a form of rebellion when they see a few corpses around.

Let drugs be available like booze, licensed outlets, taxed, and sold by the “underground” not at inflated prices but cut price so removing the imperative to turn to crime to pay for the habit.

It’s a classic “win win” scenario.

I agree with The Bear, or used to until .........
Islam Prohibits Alcohol and Drugs - IslamonLine.net - Ask The Scholar

I believe the government brings the drugs in.
Did you notice how poppy productions soared after the USofA and UK troops invaded Afghaistan.

Drug dealers who are arrested have not been paying their taxes.

Highland cops always arrest people on the A9 road as they bring their cargos north.
The police database lists every druggie in chrisondom.

aangirfan: Drugs gang allowed into UK

Tara · 21-05-2008, 03:55 PM

I remember reading somewhere that the government bring in 90% of the drugs on our streets. Any arrests made for drug smuggling is just eliminating the competition. The police also resell drugs they confiscate from people.

I think all coke heads should be shot for being the most boring people on earth and for not knowing what a real buzz is, smack heads should also be shot for being so dishonest and having such dirty finger nails but pill heads should be given a free supply to party on.

GenghisChris · 21-05-2008, 04:27 PM

an even better solution would be to keep the law as it is now but to remove drugs from prisons.

right now thats the big issue, why be afraid of going to prison if you can still get your fix there?

take away their drugs while they are in prison and they'll be a lot less likely to want to go there, and how to do it is simple, no more face to face meetings, build all prison walls higher and make the punishment for possesion a guaranteed stay in prison.

as for the so called 'mafia' well not much we can do about them other than award supergrasses super money. maybe 1% award of the street value of any drugs they report coming in, that way if any druggies hear of a multimillion pound shipment of coke coming in they'll be sure to report it and we'll probably still save money because of a lot less drug related violence/illness that would have followed had the drugs got in

Mikeuk · 21-05-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GenghisChris

an even better solution would be to keep the law as it is now but to remove drugs from prisons.

right now thats the big issue, why be afraid of going to prison if you can still get your fix there?

take away their drugs while they are in prison and they'll be a lot less likely to want to go there, and how to do it is simple, no more face to face meetings, build all prison walls higher and make the punishment for possesion a guaranteed stay in prison.

as for the so called 'mafia' well not much we can do about them other than award supergrasses super money. maybe 1% award of the street value of any drugs they report coming in, that way if any druggies hear of a multimillion pound shipment of coke coming in they'll be sure to report it and we'll probably still save money because of a lot less drug related violence/illness that would have followed had the drugs got in

Its ridiculous that this goes on.

We need new prisons with all prisoners in solitary confinement and a return to the 'Silent System' during meals, exercises etc. With every individual kept in isolation they can be easily policed, searched, etc. without the other knowing what is going on.

All contact with outsiders should be through glass screens fitted with microphones.

19-05-2008, 08:51 PM	#11 (permalink)
British-Conservatism Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,446	The Mao Zedong government is generally credited with eradicating both consumption and production of opium during the 1950s using unrestrained repression and social reform. Ten million addicts were forced into compulsory treatment, dealers were executed, and opium-producing regions were planted with new crops. A fine example I think of what can be done here. __________________ http://conservativedemocraticalliance.blogspot.com/

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Ea of Dune Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hell Posts: 1,049	drug trade BC> Crack cocaine I believe is a by-product of the cocaine industry in that they took cocaine and made it stronger and cheaper due to the drug war being fought in the US in the 80's and the fact that coke was a rich mans drug. If society had control over the drugs trade then things like this could easily be eradicated and the appauling social problems that go along with it countered. I really can't understand what all this gerrymandering over marajuana has achieved to be honest, it's made the government look like a bunch of tools. Think I'll stick with a nice glass of wine and a good English ale myself though Ea of dune

21-05-2008, 03:55 PM	#18 (permalink)
Tara Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 867	I remember reading somewhere that the government bring in 90% of the drugs on our streets. Any arrests made for drug smuggling is just eliminating the competition. The police also resell drugs they confiscate from people. I think all coke heads should be shot for being the most boring people on earth and for not knowing what a real buzz is, smack heads should also be shot for being so dishonest and having such dirty finger nails but pill heads should be given a free supply to party on. __________________ I AM SPARTACUS!

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21-05-2008, 04:27 PM	#19 (permalink)
GenghisChris Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 56	an even better solution would be to keep the law as it is now but to remove drugs from prisons. right now thats the big issue, why be afraid of going to prison if you can still get your fix there? take away their drugs while they are in prison and they'll be a lot less likely to want to go there, and how to do it is simple, no more face to face meetings, build all prison walls higher and make the punishment for possesion a guaranteed stay in prison. as for the so called 'mafia' well not much we can do about them other than award supergrasses super money. maybe 1% award of the street value of any drugs they report coming in, that way if any druggies hear of a multimillion pound shipment of coke coming in they'll be sure to report it and we'll probably still save money because of a lot less drug related violence/illness that would have followed had the drugs got in