BonnieDundee

What about Urban II, what he said is certainly Xtian.

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Leopold Kohr.

Mikeuk

Schopenhauer considered both Islam and Judaism (as compared with Christianity Hinduism and Buddhism) to be negative in their influence. That does not mean, of course, that there are not many good Muslims and evil Christians and Buddhists.

Nevertheless, Islam is one of the world's great religions and we abuse it at our peril.

Likewise, Israel is a fact of life and the global community cannot allow the Israelis to be driven into the sea. However, people who do not accept that a huge error and injustice was done by siting the Jewish National Home on Arab land are fools and fanatics who should be kept completely out of the frame.

That, of course, includes vast numbers of our American friends.

The Bear

Parts of The Bible CONTAINS Christian teaching, much does not, but the essence of Christianity is in what I was brought up to call not the New Testament but rather the New Covenant.

To get a hold on the Christian message in the Bible probably the best place to look is Matthew 5.

That being said, The Bible is a book that was compiled by a group of guys who picked what they wanted to support the Theocracy that was at the heart of the Roman Empire and that at the time brought the Roman Catholic Church into being and created the first pope.

Describing the Roman Catholic Church as being Christian sent my old man into a hissy-fit, he did say that no doubt there were many “saved” Christian people caught up in the RC but that was not the same thing as the RC being Christian, and he was absolutely right in that.

Not if his brother was dead. And even then look at "The woman taken in adultery" and what he said at the end about not condemning her.

I agree, though he did not attack any people, he attacked the conducting of business.

There is evidence that Temples (note the plural) had become places used for commerce and so detracted from their intended sanctity so it would make sense for someone trying to rid Judaism of what amounted to it having become “lawyer bound”.

That’s a very important plus point as it enables the message of Christ to transcend time.

It’s also why the rigidity within Islam can not transcend time since Islam can never change because The Koran can never change and therein lies its irrelevance and indeed incompatibility with our world today. WE are required to “wind back” to match the dictates of The Koran.

Then can we take up-to-date Islamic teaching.

There can BE no such thing as “up to date Islamic teaching” if it strays by as much as one iota from The Koran and the reported acts and sayings of Mohammed.

There is not and can be no “up to date Islamic teaching”.

“Up to date” is anathema in Islam, other than the world of today being made to comply with the laws and ideology of what was invented 1300 years ago.

If there is any change to be made it’s US who must change, Islam can not and more to the point to a Muslim MUST not. It is already perfect in every way as it was supposedly dictated to Mohamed from “Allah” and as “Allah” is always right why should the passage of a few years make one iota of difference to what was right to begin with?

To argue otherwise is actually to blaspheme, and I’m sure that you can guess what the penalty for Blaspheming is in Islam.

A good and interesting point about The Suffi though.

Both the Sunni and Shi’ete observant schools of Islam, and especially the Wahhabis, maintain that Suffism is not truly Islamic, as the concentration is not on the absolute sanctity and precision of every written verse of the Koran, but more on how it relates to the world as a whole.

Just a shame that all of those caught up in Islam don’t follow Suffism.

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The Bear

Care to enlarge? As I see it The Crusades were absolutely NOT Christian, they ran absolutely counter to true Christian teaching, though they were prosecuted by people who claimed Christianity as their justification and many of whom may have in many respects have been True Christians but that’s another matter.

Even the most devout and observant Christian can only aspire to the true guidance of their Christ. They certainly blew it in the case of the Crusades though!

In fact the position that the Pope took then shows just how far from Christianity the RC church was and is. His actions were all about retention of political relationships with the various European states and with maintaining the poser of the organisation of which he was CEO.

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For_England

Most protestant church officially at least still teach the pope as the antichrist.

The Bear

[quote=Mikeuk;506050] Schopenhauer considered both Islam and Judaism (as compared with Christianity Hinduism and Buddhism) to be negative in their influence. That does not mean, of course, that there are not many good Muslims and evil Christians and Buddhists.[/quote[

In my opinion he was right.

It's one of the worlds great ideologies certainly and if we don't confront it and keep it from taking over our world, as it must by its “proselytising on acid” nature then we are going to be in DEEP trouble. In fact we're well on the way there right now.

I’m not as convinced of that as I would have been a few years ago. With the way that the US is now going to hell in a handbasket, and it is, and with the huge amount of clout that the wealth holders control I have a nasty feeling that when, not if, when push comes to shove there will be a hell of a conflict but the outcome will BE Israel being wiped out.

I dread to think of at what cost to us all though.

Not sure about injustice if you look back at the history of the region, but certainly a huge error I would agree.

I do wonder to what extent the US will remain such a staunch ally of Israel in the future with the massive demographic changes in its population and with the disastrous state the US economy is in not to mention the Oil Crunch.

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The Bear

In my opinion he was right.

It's one of the worlds great ideologies certainly and if we don't confront it and keep it from taking over our world, as it must by its “proselytising on acid” nature then we are going to be in DEEP trouble. In fact we're well on the way there right now.

I’m not as convinced of that as I would have been a few years ago. With the way that the US is now going to hell in a handbasket, and it is, and with the huge amount of clout that the wealth holders control I have a nasty feeling that when, not if, when push comes to shove there will be a hell of a conflict but the outcome will BE Israel being wiped out.

I dread to think of at what cost to us all though.

Not sure about injustice if you look back at the history of the region, but certainly a huge error I would agree. I do wonder to what extent the US will remain such a staunch ally of Israel in the future with the massive demographic changes in its population and with the disastrous state the US economy is in not to mention the Oil Crunch.

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Ken

Bear, the difficulty with your position as I see it is that you percieve the danger of the immigration of Muslims, but think those of us who want to stop it are evil! I don't see how you can square this? You must pretend that peple like me support Hitler or are really National Socialists. In fact my views derive easily from Edmund Burke and other taditional Conservatives. Even Disraeli. Or, perhaps, you want to repatriate Muslims and try to integrate everyone else?

The Bear

My issue is not with the immigration of Muslims, my issue is with allowing Islam to have any significant role or presence within Britain (or the rest of Europe for that matter)

Now I am well aware that Islam is an ideology that is carried by people, but that does not mean that we should accommodate the requirements much less the demands being made by those people who subscribe to this ideology.

There are steps that could and should be taken. The present ridiculous situation that is emerging regarding the worries and even fears that Prison Officers have in dealing with muslim criminals in their custody out of concern to not “offend” them is a case in point.

If these guys have certain dietary requirements that means they can not eat pork, fair enough, give them a choice of something else if pork is the plate de jour just as a vegan will be offered a vegan alternative, but that’s about as far as things should be allowed to go.

As for acquiescing to multiple wives, to fail to prosecute the parents or guardians of girls found to have endured Female Genital Mutilation (and there are many seen every day in our hospitals yet the word is out that it’s a “cultural” thing and so must be ignored) yet a kid with a suspected non accidental even trivial injury gets all hell dumped on the family, it'd be a joke were it not so terrible.

There’s so much more. The presence of Islam advisers within government, the “Faith Schools” teaching that Jews are pigs and we are monkeys, all being ignored yet they should not be.

These issues can be addressed without becoming oppressive on people and to be honest those who do find the attention of our services in making sure they and their kids live a decent civilised modern day BRITISH way of life should not be pandered to, they should be told to fit in or go.

I don't want to see Muslim people repatriated, I want to see Islam if not proscribed at least not in any way supported or even tolerated to anything but the slightest extent.

I’m well aware that there are many members and supporters of the BNP who are very decent honest people who have no alternative political party to promote their views and concerns.

I believe it is to the shame of the major parties that they are leaving so many out in the cold.

I do believe the are many, people who would rather their legitimate concerns were put on the agenda of the British main line political parties but who have no alternative other than take up with the BNP if they are to have any collective voice at all.

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Imperium

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There you go again, shooting yourself in the foot once more!

This god you speak of is the invention of a diseased mind as anyone who has ever read the Old Testament impartially can tell you. The whole of the Old Testament is an exercise in jewish self-deception and self-promotion but provides a useful psychological insight into how they thought and STILL think today.



"Venemous"? Merely truthful. I judge as I see not as the New World Order tells me to see.



I have already told you, I am not here to engage in bible study: I have already wasted far too many years doing that.


I see so anyone who does not promote the failed experiment of multiracialism and fails to bow down before the jew is a "bigot"?

Goy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In English the use of the word goy can be controversial. Like other common (and otherwise innocent) terms, it may be assigned pejoratively to non-Jews.[4][5][6] To avoid any perceived offensive connotations, writers may use the English terms "Gentile" or "non-Jew".

The Talmud
“Just the Jews are humans, the Non-Jews are no humans, but cattle.” (goyim – human cattle) – (Kerithuth 6b page 78, Jebhammoth 61a)




See my above remarks! It is all in the jewish supremacy hate literature known as the talmud!




Thanks teacher! Was that your job before you retired? [Those who can`t teach!]

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This is the sort thing that I normally get paid to do, but out of kindness to you and respect for people who read your “stuff” I do it here “pro bono” and especially in consideration for those who might otherwise be offended by your possibly deliberate (?) rudeness.)

Posting on here and correcting my typos and unpc criticism of all things jewish must surely be deflecting from your capacity to "earn a crust"? Please don`t let us detain you!