Tony Bennett

Imperium wrote: "Whether you call that sinistor or not it is surely unacceptable that small immigrant community should wield such immense influence totally beyond their proportionate size upon a host population? Does this not reinforce the popular negative perception of the archetypal Jew?"

REPLY: It depends whether that 'disproportionate influence' is for good or not. Sure, there have been evil and greedy Jews. But why not look, more positively, at - for example - the scientific, engineering, technical and medical achievements of Jews over history, especially recent history.

Then examine the fantastic success they have made out of being allocated a tiny proportion of Palestine in 1947. Without oil riches to help them, they have created a stable, prosperous democracy - reclaiming the desert and making it fertile - whilst surrounded by bitter enemies who seek nothing less than their total elimanation from Palestine, and have frequently attacked them.

After pondering these matters, we might rather attribute Jewish successes to: their capacity for hard work, their genetic intelligence, the closeness and mutual support within their community, and so on.

No wonder the Arabs/Palestinians are so jealous.

The Arabs weren't forced to leave Israel in 1948; they did so voluntarily and then tried to destroy the infant nation at birth, receiving a bloody nose in the process from the wholly outnumbered Jews. Since then the Arab states have, as a matter of strict policy, never accorded even *one* Palestinian refugee status - meaning that Palestinians find it difficult to settle in any oher Arab nation

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For_England

Actually yes.

Yes, I'm very familiar with the Bible.
Palestinians are in most likelihood at least partially, if not almost wholly, the descendants of Jews who converted to Christianity, and later to Islam. Or don't you believe any Jews did that? Very likely there is some Philistine and Canaanite (and Turkish, Arab and Crusader) genes in them as well (neither from Ishmail). Some linguistics believe there is an Aramaic and possibly even Hebrew substratum to the Palestinian Arab spoken by Palestinian Christians. The genetic evidence would seem to point towards a Jewish ancestry as the foremost ancestry of Palestinians (see below). There were people in Palestine when the Arabs took it you know. The Palestinians of Nablus are believed to be descendants of the mixed Israelite/Assyrian people the Samaritans: Ireton, Sean: The Samaritans - A Jewish Sect in Israel - AnthroBase

That is a common fundamentalist myth, but it doesn't agree with genetic evidence, and nor is there anything in the Bible that says that Palestinians are Ishmaelites. Arab tribes (including Muhammed's) are descended from Ishmael, but not all Arabs, and not necessarily Palestinians:
Journal axes gene research on Jews and Palestinians | World news | The Observer
What did racist Zionist Jews do? Get the article pulled (why are they racist? not because they want a homeland to call their own, but because they are attempting to steal the genetic identity from another people, just because they don't happen to like it).

Here is more:

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Ne...00-IPArabs.pdf
Shaban's book was published by Cambridge.

Imperium

[quote=Tony Bennett;505038]Like joseph the jews ingratiate themselves with the ruler of a land, become his "political advisers", proffering advice ostensibly to benefit the host population whilst at the same time milking their hosts of their wealth, lands and even children.
joseph succeeded in financially ruining Egypt and enslaved a significant proportion of the population in exchange for grain!
I advise everyone to study joseph`s tactics for they are quite informative as to how the jews have behaved ever since which could account for their expulsion from so many countries!

Imperium

Without using others[as the jews did for the state of israel to be inaugurated] the jew would achieve nothing.
He has gained a reputation in leeching off his host community and I find it significant that only a tiny minority have chosen to live in Palestine. Most prefer to remain with their hosts. The majority of the world`s jews are to be found in New York-right where the stock exchange is!

The Bear

I am minded of a bit of graffiti that was on the wall at the first university that I attended.

(It had a quite high proportion of Jewish undergrads.)

How odd of God
To choose The Jews
Not really odd,
The Goyim annoy ‘im”

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Imperium

There you go you have hit the nail on the head, the self promotion of the jew as the "chosen people" and his denegration of other races and peoples as cattle.
Is it any wonder why they are so universally detested?

HighlandFP

I saw recently an article about how many Nobel Prize winners were Jews and how many Muslim, to prove Judaism the better.

The question should be who owns the "West"
who controlls the TV - Press - Government.

Answer = Zionists.

Uudised - bollyn

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Tony Bennett

I confess to amazement that the Moderators of this Forum are content to see Jews attacked in the way they have been on this thread; they have had several days to do something and have elected to do nothing.

I hope those who berate the Jews so much at least appreciate their recent achievements in the scientific, technological and medical fields, as per this letter below:

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April 19, 2007

An open letter from Maurice Ostroff
To Mr. Tim Gopsill, Spokesperson - National Union of Journalists

Dear Mr. Gopsill,

NUJ vote for boycotting Israeli goods

I believe you clarified the motivation behind the above motion, when you told CNS that the call to boycott Israel was a gesture of support for the Palestinian people, which you referred to as "the community that captive journalist Alan Johnston has been so keen to help through his reporting". (http://www.crosswalk.com/news/11538470/)

As the vote was carried by the narrow majority of 66 to 54 votes, may I ask whether you consider it reasonable that 60 delegates impose their views on your 35,000 members, many of whom object strongly to this political decision. I hope you will agree that a radical matter of principle of this nature deserves a 75% majority. That many of your members object to the decision is evident from several blogs dealing with journalism, such as onlinpressgazette: NUJ ADM: Should journalists boycott Israel? And can they? | Fleet Street 2.0 | Press Gazette

The boycott vote confirms to the world what has long been suspected, namely that British journalists have chosen to support one side only in the Israel-Arab conflict and that they no longer even make a pretence of balanced reporting.

It will be interesting to observe the extent to which those who voted for the boycott of Israeli products will observe their own exhortation by avoiding life-saving, state of the art Israeli medical devices as well as voice over the internet, internet messaging, laptop computers and cell phones which contain components invented and manufactured in Israel...

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JUST A REMINDER:

tara: "[The Jews are hated...These devilish hypocritical parasites leave a trail of destruction everywhere they go with their greed and deception".

Imperium: "She is clearly expressing an opinion based upon observation. What is there to complain about?"

For England: "They are racist because they are attempting to steal the genetic identity from another people, just because they don't happen to like it".

Imperium: "The jews ingratiate themselves with the ruler of a land, become his 'political advisers', proffering advice ostensibly to benefit the host population whilst at the same time milking their hosts of their wealth, lands and even children".

Imperium: "[The Jew has gained a reputation in leeching off his host community".

Imperium: "[The Jews are universally detested".

These views IMO cross a line and are an abuse of free speech




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For_England

The Japanese are a very talented people too - doesn't mean I want them dictating my foreign policy or running my banks and news media does it? Does that make me 'anti-Japanese'? The Palestinians are a people too - why don't you care about them? And they are probably more Jewish than your average Ashkenazi, and have been in Palestine for millennia. All people are people, only let them all live in their own lands, and if they have disputes, let them look to it. Many Jews in Britain are either secularist and support our genocide (and the Frankfurt School was largely Jewish) and/or Zionist, and have their primary loyalties elsewhere. Many are neither and I have no issue with them at all. Both of these groups have their first loyalty to their own people - look at hypocrites like Melanie Philips who have the effrontery to condemn British people who reject multi-culturalism, while supporting the very same thing for the State of Israel. It's ok for them to have a Jewish country for Jews, but it's wrong for us to have our own country. This kind of double-standard earns Zionists enemies.

The Bear

There you go again, shooting yourself in the foot once more!

The reference to “The Chosen People derives from Deuteronomy 14:2 which having spent 17 years studying The Bible you will know (but must have overlooked from your statement about self promotion) in the KJV reads

"For you are a holy people to YHWH your God, and God has chosen you to be his treasured people from all the nations that are on the face of the earth."

If you REALLY know what you pretend to know about Judaism, and from the venomous things you come out with you surely must think that you do, you will also be aware that what God is telling the Jewish people is actually a mixed message.

A double edged sword if ever there was, but with the second edge in the handle!

Maybe, Mr “Knows-it-all-about-The-Jews”, you would care to explain why that might be?

Or maybe it is that your such unhealthy ideas about Jewish people are all based on prejudice, bigotry, and racial hatred and love for Nazism and what you THINK Nazism was all about, and once again a marked absence of facts let alone understanding what little you DO know.

Oh yes, the word “Goyim”.

Foot suddenly feeling painful again? It should be.

In FACT the word Goyim is the plural for Goy which means nation or people of a nation.

The Hebrew word for cattle is actually phonetically pronounced “Beamah” if I remember correctly from my childhood and my old man reading the Pentateuch in Hebrew which he sometimes did on Sunday as part of our family Sunday Bible studies as was his practice. A very clever man, quite brilliant in matters accademic, all but useless in matters and things practical.

In Yiddish I THINK the word for cattle is “beheimes”, I’m open to correction on that though as I’m not fluent in Yiddish, but Goyim it ain’t.

The silly and commonplace idea that Jewish people use the same word for non Jews as for cattle emerged from the Jew Haters and Jew Baiters in the past and is still believed to be the case by a lot of silly common people.


(By the way, I have once more made the necessary grammatical and spelling corrections needed in your post.

This is the sort thing that I normally get paid to do, but out of kindness to you and respect for people who read your “stuff” I do it here “pro bono” and especially in consideration for those who might otherwise be offended by your possibly deliberate (?) rudeness.)

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