Independent UKIP

I asked a question, the poster replied and I appreciated that. The poster then said the reply was irony but has not said anything subsequent relating to the original question. There has been no smug dismissal from me I can assure you.

You may well know For England, I do not. If he/she has Jewish antecedents (antecedents being an interesting choice of word by you) then I freely accept that as fact. That has no bearing on my opinions about the views of forum member For England, sometimes good, sometimes bad.

Delors of de Jungle

As someone who does business in the ME, particularly Lebanon, dealing with Christians, Jews and Muslims I get really sick of hearing that Muslims "are the problem". Ask any moderate Sunni or Shia and they'll tell you straight - the problem is Wahhabism. For some reason western governments seem incapable of saying this, though they are all aware, maybe because they're all so desparate to suck up to Saudi?

For_England

Most of the Pakistani Muslims causing problems on the streets are just displaced youth who feel resentment to the host community, and should be back in their own countries. Their sense of victimhood is compounded by Islamic hatred of Jews and Christians, of course, and I know from experience that there is an undercurrent of Wahhabism in British Muslim communities. But the sort of Muslims who beat up vicars outside churches, get high on pot and kick to death young white males, kebab shop owners and taxi drivers who get schoolkids addicted to heroin etc - are cultural Muslims, not devoted Wahhabists (they go in for higher level stuff like terrorism).

Delors of de Jungle

That's an idea, send them back to Pakistan where they can train to be real fanatics in the Madrasahs that Reagan paid for when he put defeating the USSR in Afghanistan above common sense. What they need is to feel at home in the country they were born in.

What hatred, have you ever spent any time in the Middle East or South Asia?

Of course they're not, but they are being incited and used by people who are.

For_England

It's not my responsibility to try to make these people 'feel at home' in an alien land which they are trying to take over. They belong back in their own countries, where they can be part of their own culture, people and history, instead of whining about how we need to be more accommodating to them. You might not care about the demographic timebomb Europe faces with regards to Muslims, because perhaps you are too short-sighted to see how we will be at war with these wonderful people in a few decades unless we send them back now.


This is so typical of people who have spent abit of time in the ME, met some moderate, westernised (and comparatively rich) Muslims, and think they know all about it. Sam Harris in his book The End of Faith gives statistics based upon surveys in multiple countries - not one person's experience of the best behaved on their best behaviour - showing the high numbers of Muslims in those countries who support suicide bombings and Jihad. If these wonderful Muslims are so tolerant and loving, why don't they allow Christians to preach, or build churches? Why are apostates from Islam put to death, and why is the legal witness of a Christian deemed inferior?

They do hear this stuff in the mosques, but nevertheless the cultural Muslims cannot blame their resentments, violence, muggings, drug pushing, grooming of young white girls, ganglike ethnic solidarity etc upon the imams.

The Bear

The PROBLEM is Islam.

Just as many rank and file Nazis were just Germans, so many Muslims are just people, but that dosn't detract from the root causes in both cases.

Islam and Nazism have so very much in common when you think about it.

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Tony Bennett

Evidence that 'The Bear' is correct on the similarities between Nazism and Islam here, visceral hatred of any Jew being the common element:

Harry's Place: Hezbollah salutes

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Imperium

[quote=Mikeuk;502432]Whether you call that sinistor or not it is surely unacceptable that small immigrant community should wield such immense influence totally beyond their proportionate size upon a host population?
Does this not reinforce the popular negative perception of the archetypal jew?

Some of those jews who served Germany well were protected by Hitler and other senior officials.


It does not take many jews to control or influence a western government. They control the purse strings so they dictate policies to the government of the day and use the media to condition the masses into sheeplike obedience and servitude.



It is surely bad news for the west to be used a israel`s global policeman?

Imperium

If you want to understand why people hate jews then you should acquaint yourself with the Old Testament, in particular the story of how joseph fleeced Pharaoh and the people of Egypt.
The jews have been behaving this way ever since! However hardly ever do they ever stop to consider that it is down to their behaviour that they have had their backsides kicked out of every European nation over the centuries.
Instead they indulge in self-pity.

Imperium

It is the jew, not the arab who is the uninvited guest in Palestine!