Man Arrested, Put In DNA Database For Allegedly Dropping Apple Core

youcanhandlethetruth · 09-05-2008, 03:57 PM

Man Arrested, Put In DNA Database For Allegedly Dropping Apple Core

If this isn't enviro-fascism I don't know what is !

Besoeker · 09-05-2008, 04:22 PM

Hmmmm...
Prison Planet quoting the Daily Mail as their source.

youcanhandlethetruth · 09-05-2008, 04:37 PM

Are you saying the story isn't true ?

Your point ?

I suppose you think "he deserved it" don't you Besoeker ?

Maybe the government should lock you up for adding to the co2 problem by breathing ?

Besoeker · 09-05-2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth

Are you saying the story isn't true ?

Your point ?

I suppose you think "he deserved it" don't you Besoeker ?

Maybe the government should lock you up for adding to the co2 problem by breathing ?

I note your continued propensity to speculate about what I think.

Independent UKIP · 09-05-2008, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Besoeker

I note your continued propensity to speculate about what I think.

If you tell us what you think when you post on this forum there would be no reason for anyone to speculate about what you think.

Anyhow it is now on the front page of The Express. Better than the Daily Mail?

Daily Express: The World's Greatest Newspaper :: UK News :: 18 hours in police cell – for dropping an apple core

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18 HOURS IN POLICE CELL – FOR DROPPING AN APPLE CORE
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Saturday May 10,2008
By Paul Broster

A MAN accused of dropping an apple core in the street hit out at police last night after being held in a cell for 18 hours.

Plumber Keith Hirst, 54, who has a heart condition, was locked up after he refused to accept a £50 on-the-spot fine from a police community support officer.

“The way I was treated you would have thought I had robbed a bank,” he said. And MPs joined in condemnation of the police action, describing it as “totally over the top”.

Tory Philip Davies said: “Has the world gone mad? Yobs who’ve been caught running amok on our streets have been treated more leniently than this. Police support officers were brought in to reassure communities blighted by yobs, not to act as council busybodies, booking people for dropping apple cores.

“The time spent locking this man up could have been spent catching real criminals.”

Mr Hirst was arrested after he refused to give his name and address. He was then taken to a police station, where he had his DNA and fingerprints taken.

Police were given the power to take DNA samples from suspects in 2003. But the then Lord Chancellor, Lord Falconer, made clear at the time that the power should be used only for serious offences.

Mr Hirst, who strongly denies dropping the apple core, was seen twice by a doctor during his ordeal after complaining of dizziness and chest pains.

He said yesterday: “My family are law-abiding people and I would help if I saw a gang of yobs attacking a police officer.

“This kind of incident does not help in improving relations between the community and police. I suppose £50 for an on-the-spot fine is easy money for them.”

Mr Hirst was held during a lunchtime trip to shops in Swinton, Greater Manchester. He was approached by the cycle-riding support officer, who he said was wearing a fluorescent jacket, big sunglasses and a baseball cap and carrying a wad of tickets and a pen.

Mr Hirst, who has had heart surgery and is unable to work, told the officer he was not responsible for dropping the apple core and went into a chemist to buy medication for his disabled wife.

He then claims he emerged to discover five uniformed officers had arrived to arrest him.

He was held at Swinton police station and taken to court the next day handcuffed to a security guard. He appeared before Salford magistrates charged with dropping litter and obstructing a police officer.

He denied both charges, and the obstruction charge has since been dropped by the Crown Prosecution Service. The litter charge is scheduled to go to trial before a district judge in July.

Mr Hirst’s wife Glynis, who is disabled because of a back problem, said: “The first I knew about it was when Keith called at 10.45pm.

“He had gone to the post office at lunchtime. We did not know where he was and my daughter had been ringing hospitals because we thought something had happened to him. I think the whole case is ridiculous when you think of the cost for such a stupid thing.”

Senior officers yesterday defended the police action and said Mr Hirst gave them no choice because he would not reveal his name and address. They also “categorically” denied Mr Hirst’s claims that five officers were sent to arrest him, insisting it was a single bobby.

A source said: “We obviously do not want to arrest people for dropping litter. This man had a terrible attitude and left us with no choice because he refused to give his details.”

Superintendent Ian Palmer, of Greater Manchester Police, said: “Littering is an offence and we work tirelessly to ensure the streets are not only safe but also clean.

“Officers are expected to challenge anyone seen dropping litter.”

Earlier this year mother-of-three Kate Badger, 25, of Wolverhampton, appeared in court after being accused of throwing an apple core from her car. The case dragged on for a year and cost at least £2,800 before being dropped.

What I think about this is that on the basis of the story I disagree with the action of the police.

bornfree · 10-05-2008, 01:56 AM

Perhaps the police had done such a good job on the local sink housing estates - there was no vandalism, there were no gangs of teenage yobs running around terrorising people, everyone felt safe going out at night, that the only job left to do was arrest a disabled man.

The Bear · 10-05-2008, 07:07 AM

He was (rightly) arrested after he refused to give his name and address to a police officer

He broke a bylaw regarding littering. He refused to accept the FPN.

The police were called in as they should have been.

What followed was absolutely down to his own apparent obstinacy.

Westcountryman · 10-05-2008, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bear

He was (rightly) arrested after he refused to give his name and address to a police officer

Indeed, this appears to be the crux of the matter, not the apple core.

Ea of Dune · 10-05-2008, 01:26 PM

I believe the police can only demand those details off you if you are arrested, or stopped under the "stop and search" legislation.
If the gentleman did not drop the apple core I can understand why he would refuse to give over his details. Bit of a tricky one this as I'm not exactly sure where the law stands on it.

Ea of dune

g hall · 10-05-2008, 04:52 PM

He was stopped by a community support officer not the real thing so does he have to give his name and address and he also quite reasonably explained what he was doing and would speak to him afterward

18 hours in cell for discarded apple core - Telegraph

Supt Ian Palmer, of Greater Manchester Police should be deeply ashamed of himself for his comments

compare to this

Rapist who murdered girl of 14 had right to be housed - Telegraph

And the police wonder why the ordinary punter is beginning to get pi55ed off

09-05-2008, 03:57 PM	#1 (permalink)
youcanhandlethetruth Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,340	Man Arrested, Put In DNA Database For Allegedly Dropping Apple Core Man Arrested, Put In DNA Database For Allegedly Dropping Apple Core If this isn't enviro-fascism I don't know what is ! __________________ Before tyranny and television, "conspiracy theorists" never existed. cointelpro/halfwits: Akria,Clippo,Besoeker,Bear,Eurosceptic Antlantacist,MikeUK

09-05-2008, 04:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
youcanhandlethetruth Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,340	Are you saying the story isn't true ? Your point ? I suppose you think "he deserved it" don't you Besoeker ? Maybe the government should lock you up for adding to the co2 problem by breathing ? __________________ Before tyranny and television, "conspiracy theorists" never existed. cointelpro/halfwits: Akria,Clippo,Besoeker,Bear,Eurosceptic Antlantacist,MikeUK

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The Bear Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: East Anglia Posts: 1,079	He was (rightly) arrested after he refused to give his name and address to a police officer He broke a bylaw regarding littering. He refused to accept the FPN. The police were called in as they should have been. What followed was absolutely down to his own apparent obstinacy. __________________ Signature removed because it wound me up every time I read it!

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g hall Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The flatlands of East Anglia but my heart is in the green rolling hills of Devon Posts: 4,440	He was stopped by a community support officer not the real thing so does he have to give his name and address and he also quite reasonably explained what he was doing and would speak to him afterward 18 hours in cell for discarded apple core - Telegraph Supt Ian Palmer, of Greater Manchester Police should be deeply ashamed of himself for his comments compare to this Rapist who murdered girl of 14 had right to be housed - Telegraph And the police wonder why the ordinary punter is beginning to get pi55ed off __________________ "That government is best which governs least." "This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries". "To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful." I don't ignore posters just any post made which meets my ID-TEN-T criteria

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09-05-2008, 04:22 PM	#2 (permalink)
Besoeker Uber Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 4,613	Hmmmm... Prison Planet quoting the Daily Mail as their source.

10-05-2008, 01:56 AM	#6 (permalink)
bornfree Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 31	Perhaps the police had done such a good job on the local sink housing estates - there was no vandalism, there were no gangs of teenage yobs running around terrorising people, everyone felt safe going out at night, that the only job left to do was arrest a disabled man.

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Ea of Dune Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hell Posts: 684	I believe the police can only demand those details off you if you are arrested, or stopped under the "stop and search" legislation. If the gentleman did not drop the apple core I can understand why he would refuse to give over his details. Bit of a tricky one this as I'm not exactly sure where the law stands on it. Ea of dune