HighlandFP

Dearest Forum members, Please help The Bear, who is suffering from unreasonable anger and hatred, and by united endevour we can get The Bear to seek professional help.

or http://www.nhs24.com/

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The Bear

LOL!

Which profession did you have in mind?

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Unionist

Very funny. Anyone would think he had criticised your beloved religion or something.

Oh, wait...

HighlandFP

I dont mind anyone having a bash. Some may get upset and order up a fatwa, but nothing bothers me.
It's just when i see the relentlass hatred of The bear being displayed so openly I believe it must be a sick mind. other religieons have more subtle methods of displaying hatreds.

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The Bear

Not a sick mind, just a deep understanding of what Islam is all about.

It’s not the same as being critical of Muslims as such. There are a great many good and decent people who are Muslims just as there are some right 22 carat SOB’s who are Christians and Jews and Sikhs, and in fact all religions, but Islam is different from most if not all others.

It is in that difference that my intense dislike of Islam founded.

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BonnieDundee

I can see no basis for this difference.

How is Islam move violent than say the cult of Mars the wargod? Or a great many other religions, in fact even Xtianity is much the same. It is culture that has made Islam violent today, but not as violent as culture once made the xtians.

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The Bear

The basis of Christianity is inclusion by invitation and the acceptance of that invitation guarantees salvation. Christianity is above all else about self sacrifice following the reported words and deeds of Jesus.

The response that Jesus advised to attack was to offer love and to allow the attacker to see by example that Christianity was what today we might call more user friendly than anything else in the hope that the attacker would convert by witnessing what was patently good.

The turning of the cheek, the example of the good Samaritan, the reply to “who is my neighbour” all reinforce this ideal.

How some men later then used Christianity as the basis of their various churches is another matter entirely and it can rightly be said that the more structured and intrusive the church, the further from Christianity it becomes and conclude from that what you will.

Then there is the manner in which by its very acquiescence to its environment whilst maintaining the basic factors of Christianity, specifically love for one another, the Salvation through belief in Jesus, the imperative to live life asking at all times “What would Jesus do?”.

The JOY mindset based on consideration of life as Jesus, Others, and then You in that order when deciding on a course of action, all point to Christianity as being a fine and moral and above all decent religion if a religion is what someone is seeking.

Such is not the case in Islam.

Islam is based on submission to the alleged words from a man who systematically changed what he said to suite his needs at the time.

When faced with confrontation the response is to be either battle or temporary truce until the point that battle can be fought and won.

For those who have been Christians or Jews so long as they recognise that they are inferior, obey the Islamic law, and pay an additional tax they are permitted to live in an Islamic society.

For those others than Christians or Jews there is no such choice offered. Convert, or die.

Nor can Islam change with time.

Whereas both Christianity and Judaism can and do change in its form to line up with contemporary or local circumstances, Islam can not. Muslims may not follow all the dictates for a while, they are even advised to lie if that meets the needs, but Islam as such can never change, not a single word.

And that is just scratching the surface. Churchill wrote a very telling and very good short essay on Islam. It’s worth repeating.

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.…A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities ... but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith.

It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.

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BonnieDundee

The basis of Xtianity is that if you do not have faith in Jesus you spend eternity in hell. Although arguabley this was a later addition from 400AD+

Jesus over turns the table of the money lenders at one point, he also damns some people outright or seems to say that.

Alot of this is what was added by later churches, such as the removal of the need to obey Jewish laws, even the very canon itself.
Such is not the case in Islam.

Orthodox xtianity is the same, except it is about submission to carefully selected books which were written by no one who knew Jesus or even knew someone who knew Jesus. In orthodox xtianity you have to submit to Jesus or go to hell even though the idea of hell is only dubiously inferred from the canonical scriptures and was only popular post 400 Ad most probably due to its use to temporal rulers.

Jesus overturns the tables of the money lenders and even strikes them I believe. That is hardly turning the other cheek.

Jews were killed in Europe and subject to many indignities.


I see no reason why Islam cannot do this. Look at offshoots of Islam from Shiaism to the Ba'hai.

Islamic civilisation was for centuries the marvel of the world and it is they who helped to save much Greek and Roman learning from the ravages of Xtian Europe.

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-Bruce Schneier

How to Overthrow the System: brew your own beer; kick in your TV; build your own cabin and p*ss off front porch whenever you bloody well feel like it.
Edward Abbey

Leopold Kohr.

Mikeuk

Islamophobia is one of the policies of the BNP, and I can see no difference between promoting hatred for Islam and promoting hatred for people of other races and nations. Maybe Bear's anger is down to the fact that the BNP's policies aren't quite as carpet-chewing as he would like.

Historically, Islamic culture has given a great deal to the world and when I was working with Muslims I always found them courteous, considerate and clean living.

There are fanatics in all religions.

g hall

Spot on although some of the youth are now getting into chav ways

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