Please help The Bear

HighlandFP · 07-05-2008, 06:43 AM

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""A central focus of this book is to illuminate the role of the observer in determining what is observed and how it is interpreted. People construct their own version of "reality" on the basis of information provided by the senses, but this sensory input is mediated by complex mental processes that determine which information is attended to, how it is organized, and the meaning attributed to it. What people perceive, how readily they perceive it, and how they process this information after receiving it are all strongly influenced by past experience, education, cultural values, role requirements, and organizational norms, as well as by the specifics of the information received. "

If you seek understanding look elsewhere .... based on their recent record ....."

Eco Postman Patel: Langley stripped bare ...or how they get it so wrong so often

"Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slaves of some dead economist."
John Maynard Keynes

Bear darlink do you have a website expounding your unique verbosity?

youcanhandlethetruth · 07-05-2008, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bear

I absolutely agree.

The problem arises when a thing so complex as a whole ideology based on totally different values is involved, especially when on the surface there is no significant difference, just people doing their best to get the best for their families, the guy in the “suit and tie”.

It is only when you go beneath the surface and see what the differences mean to your society the true horror emerges. In fact it’s very close to be the case that Islam is the 21’st century’s Nazism.

It’s the ignorance of just what Islam is all about that is letting it flourish in the west today.

Our society, our culture if you like, is broadly based on the principles of Christianity, the principles of tolerance, consideration for your neighbour, the life and acts of Jesus, and generally trying to consider “what would Jesus do”. It is also based on forgiveness, and the belief that vengeance is The Lord’s domain, not mans. Islam is not.

Also man made laws. We make laws in our parliaments and we repeal laws in our parliaments. By no means always well and by no means always for the best, but it’s WE who do this.

Not so Islam. In Islam the laws are defined in the Koran. Not only the laws but also the punishment in many cases and it is a heresy to not uphold these laws and punishments.

There’s so very much about Islam that most people simply don’t have the slightest idea about that if they did would have these same people who write that they see no big difference between Islam and our culture in a state of first disbelief, and then shock.

It’s not the turban that’s the problem, it’s what’s going on in the grey matter beneath it.

Fairly explained point Bear but are you saying that the majority or the minority of Muslims want to make Britain into Sharia-UK ?

What % of muslims do you guess are non pacifiste, non-peace loving evil doers ?

My other question is, if there is a problem with extremists in the UK (and I'm not certain there is if you compare the risk of death by terrorism to the risk of dying in a motor accident - 600 times more likely) who is allowing record immigration levels of people into the country and why ?

And why are the media and institutions like the police (with "sharia-law training") jumping on the "Sharia law" bandwagon - it's not like the media can't ignor it if they don't want to.
Why is there islamic fundamentalism (such as the BBC's recent "Age of terror") shown on the TV set almost endlessly now ?

Why such a big deal ? The terrorist attacks are old news surely.....

Ask yourself - who benefits and why...... ?

Actually don't - you'll probably come up with the completely wrong conclusion......

Without understanding the bigger picture of Plan UK 2K it's a futile exercise.

The biggest one of the lot though is how you can call Islam "hate" when the god-fearing christians Bush and Blair started a war that has killed over a million (not to mention our British troops too).

If you are against evil religions, how do you justify the actions of these fine Christians ?

Surely you should be hopping mad ?

BonnieDundee · 07-05-2008, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by John in Scotland

Though if Jesus turns out to be right, you can hardly blame him for warning us.

Well if he was real and made anything like the comments the canon attributes to him and actually agreed with the later distortions like the idea of hell which wasn't popular until after 400 AD. And even then he could of given a little more proof.

Mikeuk · 07-05-2008, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

The basis of Xtianity is that if you do not have faith in Jesus you spend eternity in hell. Although arguabley this was a later addition from 400AD+

Christ sets out mankind's choice with characteristic bluntness. Christians and non-Christians should be in no doubt about the stark message of the Gospel.

“He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned” (Mark 16:16).

BonnieDundee · 07-05-2008, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikeuk

Christ sets out mankind's choice with characteristic bluntness. Christians and non-Christians should be in no doubt about the stark message of the Gospel.

“He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned” (Mark 16:16).

Well firstly there are the problems with the gospels as historical sources of Christ and also it is not at all clear that hell was what Christ was talking about, that idea only became popular after 400 AD.

youcanhandlethetruth · 07-05-2008, 07:40 AM

You only need to look at Christianity in America (and here for that matter - re Archbishop and MMGW lies) to see that Christianity has been bastardized and manipulated for the selfish interests of man.

And I'd guess the same is true of other religions too

No wonder Christains are disliked around the world when we've got Christians like Bush and Blair on their crusades......

That isn't to say that Christainity is bad - it's just been monopolized and re-branded....

John in Scotland · 07-05-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BonnieDundee

that idea only became popular after 400 AD.

That's three times in one thread you've said that. It is a statement that you clearly find interesting.

What is your source?

HighlandFP · 07-05-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by John in Scotland

That's three times in one thread you've said that. It is a statement that you clearly find interesting.

What is your source?

I did a search on Google
Results 1 - 10 of about 253,000,000 for hell

hell - Google Search

So there. Hell is very popular.

heaven - Google Search

ONLY --- Results 1 - 10 of about 175,000,000 for heaven.

John in Scotland · 07-05-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HighlandFP

I did a search on Google... 253,000,000 for hell ... So there. Hell is very popular. ONLY 175,000,000 for heaven.

OK - now please do a Google search for the frequency of those words on the web in AD 300.

HighlandFP · 07-05-2008, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by John in Scotland

OK - now please do a Google search for the frequency of those words on the web in AD 300.

YouTube - Imagine

07-05-2008, 06:43 AM	#21 (permalink)
HighlandFP Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ross-shire Highlands SCOTLAND Posts: 561 Party: None	QUOTE ""A central focus of this book is to illuminate the role of the observer in determining what is observed and how it is interpreted. People construct their own version of "reality" on the basis of information provided by the senses, but this sensory input is mediated by complex mental processes that determine which information is attended to, how it is organized, and the meaning attributed to it. What people perceive, how readily they perceive it, and how they process this information after receiving it are all strongly influenced by past experience, education, cultural values, role requirements, and organizational norms, as well as by the specifics of the information received. " If you seek understanding look elsewhere .... based on their recent record ....." Eco Postman Patel: Langley stripped bare ...or how they get it so wrong so often "Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influences, are usually the slaves of some dead economist." John Maynard Keynes Bear darlink do you have a website expounding your unique verbosity? __________________ WARNING: By reading or downloading this post you may be committing an offence under some or all of these Terrorism Acts. http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/securit...m-and-the-law/ EU = Ein Volk ~ Ein Reich.

07-05-2008, 07:40 AM	#26 (permalink)
youcanhandlethetruth Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,540	You only need to look at Christianity in America (and here for that matter - re Archbishop and MMGW lies) to see that Christianity has been bastardized and manipulated for the selfish interests of man. And I'd guess the same is true of other religions too No wonder Christains are disliked around the world when we've got Christians like Bush and Blair on their crusades...... That isn't to say that Christainity is bad - it's just been monopolized and re-branded.... __________________ Before tyranny and television, "conspiracy theorists" never existed. cointelpro/halfwits: Akria,Clippo,Besoeker,Bear,Eurosceptic Antlantacist,MikeUK

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