gremlin in the works

There are fanatics in all religions.

i agree mikeuk and not only in religions but in all walks of life as well many extremist elements exist in all Cultures and communities in the past and right to the present.it was not that long ago puritans like going out and burning witches at the stack for their beliefs and hacking off peoples heads becouse they did not fit in with the puritan ideology but people seem to for get that oddly.

when it comes to religion people think its is bad instead of the nutters who are extreme with in it.its not religion that is going out and killing people, its the people who are extremists any way and will all ways hind behind what ever draws them in and will all ways find a justification for what they do.

the biggest threat to the world is not religions or tarror but peoples Ignorance and stupidity ....

g hall

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youcanhandlethetruth

Can someone explain to me how muslims are described as "extremists" yet Bush and the neo-con "christians" who invaded Iraq are not described in the same way ?

In fact Bush is often referred to as leader of the free world !

Why doesn't them mainstream media describe the U.S administration as extremists ?

It's so obvious why.......

Anyone who knows the true story of the war on terror and 9/11 knows Bear is someone who has bought the propaganda hook line and sinker.

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HighlandFP

here is an xian who will become the next Presidente of the USofA speaking.

Informed Comment: Obama: Clinton on Iran Obliteration: <br> Bush Clone

'MR. RUSSERT: Hillary Clinton was asked about if Iran launched a nuclear attack against Israel, and this is the answer she gave. Let's listen.

(Videotape)

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON (D-NY): (From "Good Morning America") Well, the question was, "If Iran were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel, what would our response be?" And I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the president, we will attack Iran. And I want them to understand that.

We would be able to totally obliterate them.

(End videotape)



MR. RUSSERT: "Obliterate them."

SEN. OBAMA: Yeah.

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HighlandFP

I am pleased The Bear is now getting help to show the error of his thoughts.

Perhaps before 911 he hated the IRA with similar intensity or during the Cold War he hated the Commies.

The Bear says, "There are a great many good and decent people who are Muslims just as there are some right 22 carat SOB’s who are Christians and Jews and Sikhs, and in fact all religions, but Islam is different from most if not all others.
It is in that difference that my intense dislike of Islam founded."

Here I see a glimer of hope. The Bear has seen his errors and has paused for reflection.

The Bear says, "Whereas both Christianity and Judaism can and do change in its form to line up with contemporary or local circumstances, Islam can not. Muslims may not follow all the dictates for a while, they are even advised to lie if that meets the needs, but Islam as such can never change, not a single word."

I dont know about the lying but the fact that Islam or rather the Qu'ran cannot and will not change, unlike the New Testemant, is its streangth.

"Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. "
I had the Jehovas Witness'es TWICE at my door last week - hadnt seen them for years :>) They were surprised by me.

The Bear, I shall do a couple of extra Raq'ah's for you today.

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youcanhandlethetruth

Most people show a dislike for things they can't comprehaned.

See a guy in a turban and some people instantly feel threatened.

Put them in a suit an tie and they'll believe they are respectable.

Ignorance is the enemy.

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The Bear

I absolutely agree.

The problem arises when a thing so complex as a whole ideology based on totally different values is involved, especially when on the surface there is no significant difference, just people doing their best to get the best for their families, the guy in the “suit and tie”.

It is only when you go beneath the surface and see what the differences mean to your society the true horror emerges. In fact it’s very close to be the case that Islam is the 21’st century’s Nazism.

It’s the ignorance of just what Islam is all about that is letting it flourish in the west today.

Our society, our culture if you like, is broadly based on the principles of Christianity, the principles of tolerance, consideration for your neighbour, the life and acts of Jesus, and generally trying to consider “what would Jesus do”. It is also based on forgiveness, and the belief that vengeance is The Lord’s domain, not mans. Islam is not.

Also man made laws. We make laws in our parliaments and we repeal laws in our parliaments. By no means always well and by no means always for the best, but it’s WE who do this.

Not so Islam. In Islam the laws are defined in the Koran. Not only the laws but also the punishment in many cases and it is a heresy to not uphold these laws and punishments.

There’s so very much about Islam that most people simply don’t have the slightest idea about that if they did would have these same people who write that they see no big difference between Islam and our culture in a state of first disbelief, and then shock.

It’s not the turban that’s the problem, it’s what’s going on in the grey matter beneath it.

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Though if Jesus turns out to be right, you can hardly blame him for warning us.

HighlandFP

For The Bear ONLY a wee YouTube Video
for your early morning coffee.

Note: I have sailed through the Suez canal twice.

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The Bear

Lying in Islam? Just google “Taqiyya and Kitman” and see what you get.

It’s not about lying in the Koran though the contradictions in time to suit Mohammed’s needs of the day amounts to lying, as in all probability does the whole rigmarole about getting messages from “Gibreel”.

It’s about the instruction of when to lie given to Muslims.

Lie to obtain peace, and remember peace is the presence of Islam in the Islamic sense so it’s ok to lie to get ahead.

Lie to a woman. That’s understandable considering the almost contempt that women are held in.

Lie before going on a journey. That’s taken in both the literal and figurative sense as well.

There’s a whole lot more to Islam than you yet know, “Highlander”, I just hope you get to know it in time.


Did I hate the iRA and Communism?

Actually no.

I hated the atrocities that the IRA and the PIRA carried out, but I did recognise the basis of their cause. I also hated the atrocities the Loyalist terror groups got up to and likewise recognised the basis of their cause. As to which was right, that's a matter of opinion.

Communism? Not particularly. Not an ideology that I particularly care for, but hate it? No.

At the same time the form of Capitalism the US was and is engaged in based as it is on hegemony is not a thing that I care for either.

But not hate. I reserve that for the thing that I see as being an inhuman regressive cult that ensnares the ignorant and has an intent to dominate the world taking away mans freedom in the process.

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