HighlandFP

CHristianity is historically the indigenous religion of UK .....

Oh Really? I thought is was Druidism or Paganism or the chaps who built Stonhenge and all the great stone circles and standing stone in Scotland.
Which the christians nicked to build churches

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BonnieDundee

I don't support this but I don't think any religion, including Christianty, should be favoured in public schools. I don't support tax payer funding for Muslim or Christian(or any other religious.) schools.

Personally I favour home-schooling anyway however.

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BonnieDundee

I don't think sex ed is too bad in our public schools, at least it isn't that silly abstinence only rubbish that Dubya has been championing in the US.

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Tara

'That silly abstinence only rubbish' is exactly what I would teach any children of mine that are under the age of consent. I'll leave the immoral lefties to bring up their own lowlife brats however they see fit.

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BonnieDundee

Yeah and sex is only for reproduction!

Plus you do realise it doesn't actually work? America's teenage pregnancy and STD rates are soaring.

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Edward Abbey

Leopold Kohr.

Tara

Where did I say that sex was only for reproduction? Sex is and should be a part of a relationship or marriage.

Stop making references to America, this is a British forum for British people living in Britain. What does or doesn't go on in America doesn't concern me, what concerns me is what I would teach any children of mine that are under the age of consent. I don't care for your liberal values, I care for moral responsible ones.

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BonnieDundee

It can also be just for fun.

Well firstly after that lecture you contradicted yourself somewhat by using an American political term, liberal(by that I mean you used in an American way.).
The point was America was it shows this stuff just doesn't work, with its abstinence only sex ed and its "moral" majority, it has rising pregnancy and STD amongst teens.

Morals are not the state's business, a basic teaching of the issues and dangers will help a teenager far more than lectures on how sex should only be between married people.

When people are under 16 that is far enough but teaching them that even after that it is only for marriage or relationships is not needed and not useful.

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Edward Abbey

Leopold Kohr.

Tara

Nope, did not contradict myself as I used the term in quotes, a term which you used and I replied to. Teaching children that sex before the age of legal consent does work, it worked with me and the vast majority of my friends but then, we had decent parents. I never said morals were the states business, I said I would teach my own children responsible moral behaviour. And I never said that sex should only be between married people, I said sex should be part of a relationship or marriage. I also never mentioned anything about teaching young people about sex after the age of consent. I will not repeat myself again and have nothing more to say on the subject, subject being, what I would teach my own children.

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BonnieDundee

But term is America in that usage.

And I have nothing to say except the statistics from America(and I believe other places.) don't tend to back up the idea that it prevents STDs and teen pregnancy.

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Edward Abbey

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The Bear

It may not interest you but it certainly not only interests but massively influences most people in Britain, especially the young.

Of course what anyone teaches their children is down to them but shouldn’t what other people are teaching their children in turn not be a factor in deciding what to teach ones own kids?

If other kids are being taught that the key aspects about sex concern hygiene, disease precaution, contraception, and how to deal with the perverts of the world would it not be rather silly to expect that on meeting a person of the opposite sex they need to be best equipped to deal with what emerges?

Certainly teaching abstinence is not only old hat, it’s probably damaging in this enlightened age. It carries the possibility (probability?) of all sorts of suppressed emotions, guilt, angst, and a whole lot more besides especially if they see their mates going at it like knives, and they will, believe me, they will.

It will also build a massive barrier between parents and kids which if things go wrong could lead to disaster.

Morality? Morality is not an absolute, morality changes with time.

When I was in my teens a homosexual person was considered at least immoral and probably much worse not to mention someone who was a criminal simply by his sexual orientation should he engage in a homosexual relationship.

Today thankfully and rightly such is not the case, and now most sensible people recognise that a homosexual couple having a relationship is in no way different in any significant from that of a heterosexual couple, one way that morality has advanced.

Another way is how once for a couple to cohabit was very unusual, and attracted considerable censure. Today thankfully such is not the case.

Many women engaged in a profession decide to have a child without being in, or intending to be in a relationship. Is that immoral?

Personally although I believe a two parent household is to be preferred I would not condemn such a choice as being immoral.

What I DO condemn is young women, often straight out of school, deliberately getting “up the duff” as the start of a lifetime career in which they get fed and housed “on the welfare”. I see that as immoral.

America? Ignore it at your peril.

What the kids do there today the kids here will do tomorrow and no one will stop them.

In my opinion the best that you can do is give your kids the best advice and guidance you can to help and support them in the REAL world, not the world that you would like it to be.