Roland

When you look at the history of Britain, America, Europe, the church of England, the roman catholic church we have all been as if not more barbaric than those middle eastern countries.

They are hundreds of years behind us in terms of humanity, reason and democracy. They never had the chance to grow and develop and learn from their own mistakes, fight they're own wars and revolutions, develop they're own colonies and peace treaties because the west has always been over there.

Iran is probably the only democratic Muslim state. Democracy is still early over there. Similarly to how after the second world war women had more rights because of lack of men the same thing is happening in Iran because of the war with Iraq. The government is still in the grip of the religious leaders but eventually the democratic process will weaken the hold. Democracy is an evolution it takes time. Removing the religious grip takes time as it did in most western countries. Once religious grip is removed then children will be taught
of religion but not to obey religion as fact.

So a genuine start to democracy in the middle east and America wants to blow it up.

The Bear

"When you look at the history of Britain, America, Europe, the church of England, the roman catholic church we have all been as if not more barbaric than those middle eastern countries. "

Actually not so.

And do not make the mistake of confusing the Christian message and Christianity with the church, especially not the Roman Catholic church which is a society controlling organisation that uses Christianity as the carrot.

You could take Christianity out of the Roman Catholic church and still be left with a very effective mafia if Christianity was replaced by a global hit squad.

You could take most of the established “Christian” churches out fo Christianity and Christianity would actually be all the better for it.

Now, as regards Islam.

Whereas the Christ6ian message is of love, redemption, and an invitation to partake the message of Islam is the exact opposite.

It’s a well known but nonetheless true cliché that whereas a devout Christian is likely to say “I will die for my beliefs” a devout Muslim would say “YOU will die for my beliefs”.

As for democracy as we know it, that is anathema to Islam. More yet it is even a blasphemy in strict terms.

The Bear

If you want to be that silly then as WW1 never ended in a peace treaty but an armistice then it could be said that WW2 was actually “WW1 part deux” and WW1 was started by Czarist Russia ordering mobilisation which is what put the whole thing past the “tilt point”

However, as the context of your question regarding who started the UK / DE aspects of WW2 was actually a rhetorical question implying that the Germans started it, then keeping the answer in that context the answer remains that the British did by declaring war on Germany.

(Call me Teddy? Sure! Why not! Better than Ursula I guess! It's not my Christian name but whatever floats your boat!)

Smidgey

That is extremely pedantic to say the least.

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Aardvark

Highland FP, the thread, if the assertion is correct, should say 'libelled'. Slander is spoken, libel is published. Broadcast media is classed as published.

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Roland

Sorry if I gave that impression but I see the catholic church as having nothing to do with Christianity.

prober

we are all guilty as the Guardian says.

Britannist

Exactly. The German people are mostly pro-British and many of them are (to their credit) against the euro and EU.

Britannist

Er...it is mostly Poles, Latvians, Bulgarians, Romanians, Estonians, Lithuanians and French who are in the UK in large numbers. The number of Germans coming here is small in comparison.

HighlandFP

John Connor in another thread I asked what "muzzers" meant.

I surmise that you a racist and that OK with me.

I will give my life that you [and others] can have Freedom of Speech and Religion.

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