Wretched smokers given another kick in the plums

mkpdavies · 15-02-2008, 06:06 PM

£10 government permit plan to deter smokers | UK news | The Guardian

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A ban on the sale of cigarettes to anyone who does not pay for a government smoking permit has been proposed by Health England, a ministerial advisory board.
The idea is the brainchild of the board's chairman, Julian Le Grand, who is a professor at the London School of Economics and was Tony Blair's senior health adviser. In a paper being studied by Lord Darzi, the health minister appointed to oversee NHS reform, he says many smokers would be helped to break the habit if they had to make a decision whether to "opt in".
The permit might cost as little as £10, but acquiring it could be made difficult if the forms were sufficiently complex, Le Grand said last night.
His paper says: "Suppose every individual who wanted to buy tobacco had to purchase a permit. And suppose further they had to do this every year. To get a permit would involve filling out a form and supplying a photograph, as well as paying the fee. Permits would only be issued to those over 18 and evidence of age would have to be provided. The money raised would go to the NHS."
Le Grand said the proposal was an example of "libertarian paternalism". The government would leave people free to make their own decisions but it would "nudge them" in the right direction.

Welcome to 1984.

John Connor · 15-02-2008, 06:13 PM

They can f right off.

Unless I can issue permits allowing people to talk ****.

mkpdavies · 15-02-2008, 06:14 PM

More about this Hitler wannabe.

Policy Network new ideas for progressive politics

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At Policy Network’s conference in London, Britain and Europe in a Global Age, LSE Professor Julian Le Grand outlined an ambitious policy proposal for a European-level ‘demogrant’ or ‘baby-bond’.
Discussion arising out of the European Social Model research programme has focused on the imperative to reorient public investment towards children and young people as part of a larger shift to a more ‘positive’ conception of welfare. In his presentation to the London conference, Professor Le Grand highlighted that one-fifth of 18-24 year-olds receive little or no investment of any kind, and that the largest investment goes to the better off.
The policy proposal for ‘baby bonds’ is a concrete contribution to the debate about welfare reform in Europe. Professor Le Grand argued that this policy would not only bring the EU closer to its citizens, but would encourage savings and asset ownership which is shown to lead to improved educational and economic outcomes. The proposal would also strengthen the EU's social dimension, as advocated by social democratic parties across Europe.

Seriously guys. We have to stop these ******* and fast.

allanon · 15-02-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

More about this Hitler wannabe.

Policy Network new ideas for progressive politics

Seriously guys. We have to stop these ******* and fast.

The best way to stop them is to let them have their way.

Little Englander (sour) · 15-02-2008, 06:52 PM

Fukcs me, is that how we should have stopped Hitler?.
What the FF are you on.

allanon · 15-02-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Little Englander (sour)

Fukcs me, is that how we should have stopped Hitler?.
What the FF are you on.

I'd absolutely love the Government to pass a law requiring all smokers to obtain smoking permits.

Westcountryman · 15-02-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by allanon

I'd absolutely love the Government to pass a law requiring all smokers to obtain smoking permits.

I presume you support ID cards too then? After all, surely we all need licenses to live and breathe air?

allanon · 15-02-2008, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Eurosceptic Atlanticist

I presume you support ID cards too then? After all, surely we all need licenses to live and breathe air?

Where did I say I support the idea of smoking permits ?

Westcountryman · 15-02-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by allanon

Where did I say I support the idea of smoking permits ?

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Originally Posted by allanon

I'd absolutely love the Government to pass a law requiring all smokers to obtain smoking permits.

There, I believe.

allanon · 15-02-2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Eurosceptic Atlanticist

There, I believe.

No.

My words mean exactly what they say.

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Little Englander (sour) Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 949 Party: English Democrats	Fukcs me, is that how we should have stopped Hitler?. What the FF are you on. __________________ Little Englander (bigoted)

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