Bishop victimised by PC scum after rejecting sodomite

Mikeuk · 09-02-2008, 10:25 AM

This filthy tip of a country is being run by sodomites for sodomites.

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Bishop fined in gay discrimination case

By Nick Britten

A bishop has been ordered to undergo equal opportunities training and to pay a gay youth worker nearly £50,000 for refusing him a job because of his sexuality.

The Bishop of Hereford has been fined for discriminationJohn Reaney, 42, had his appointment at the diocese of Hereford blocked by the Bishop of Hereford, the Rt Rev Anthony Priddis, despite being told by his interviewers that he was the outstanding candidate for the post.

During a two-hour interview with Bishop Priddis, Mr Reaney claimed he asked intrusive questions about his sexuality which had left him feeling embarrassed, upset and "a total waste of space".

He was so upset he broke down in tears on the way home. Three days later the bishop telephoned him to say his application had been unsuccessful.

He took the Hereford Diocesan Board of Finance to an employment tribunal and said today he was "delighted" with the payout.
He added: "Lesbian and gay Christians working within the Church of England are entitled to be treated with humanity."

Ben Summerskill, chief executive of the gay rights pressure group Stonewall, added: "We're delighted that the tribunal has sent such a robust signal, both to the bishop and other employers.
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"The substantial level of compensation sends out a very clear message. Not even a bishop is above this law."

The compensation includes £25,000 for future loss of wages, £8,000 for future pension loss, £7,000 damages for psychiatric injury, £6,000 for injury to feelings, £1,320 for counselling and £25 for costs incurred seeking work.

The diocese's costs in fighting the case are expected to be around £50,000, but a spokesman said this was being met by an anonymous donor.

But the diocese will have to pay the £47,000 compensation award from its own funds.

Mr Reaney, from Colwyn Bay, North Wales, applied for the job in July 2006.

He had already worked in two Church of England dioceses where he had been praised for his achievements.

Giving evidence to the tribunal, Bishop Priddis said he had made it clear to Mr Reaney that a person in a sexual relationship outside marriage, whether they were heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual or transgender, would be turned down for the post.

He said that Mr Reaney's behaviour was contrary to official Church teaching and had "the potential to impact on the spiritual, moral and ethical leadership within the diocese".

Under the Employment Equality (Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2003, it is illegal to discriminate against people as a result of their sexual orientation, but the law does contain an exemption for organised religion.

However, the tribunal ruled that he had acted unlawfully and had discriminated against Mr Reaney on the grounds of sexual orientation.

It said he should have considered only the present lifestyle of Mr Reaney, who is single, and should not have speculated about potential future relationships.

Anni Holden, spokesman for the Diocese of Hereford, said: "We are now aware that when making such an appointment we must make it clear if it is a genuine occupational requirement that the post-holder should believe in and uphold the Christian belief and ideal of marriage, and that sexual relationships are confined to marriage.

"This is the crux of the matter, not sexual orientation."

kernow · 09-02-2008, 11:11 AM

Anni Holden, spokesman for the Diocese of Hereford, said: "We are now aware that when making such an appointment we must make it clear if it is a genuine occupational requirement that the post-holder should believe in and uphold the Christian belief and ideal of marriage, and that sexual relationships are confined to marriage.

"This is the crux of the matter, not sexual orientation."

Would a Muslim Religious leader be treated the same way? Of course not! It would have never reached the papers!

rjt · 09-02-2008, 06:13 PM

The time will come when they will make it illegal for churches not to conduct gay marriages, thegay adoption legislation was the first step along this path in my view paving the way for further erroision into the churches values.

This decision is another paving stone being laid. Totally disgraceful and I agree with Kernows comments about how a muslim leader would ne treated wholeheartedly, i know he does not agree with me and other christians here on a variety of other faith related matters but Kernow I thank you for what you have said today.

Mikeuk · 09-02-2008, 06:21 PM

Many Muslims would like to string up the homos. This must put our 'liberal'-fascist masters in a quandary. How can you be pro-Muslim and pro-gay at the same time?

Their answer is to proceed blithely as if there were no proiblem. Push 'gay rights' against the rights of normal people and 'Muslim rights' against the rights of the indigenous population.

And the great British public put up with it.

Baron von Lotsov · 09-02-2008, 07:55 PM

"Lesbian and gay Christians"

Christians

"1 a: one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ"

Christian - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

What the Bible says

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Gen 19:5-8 "and they called to Lot and said to him, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.' But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said, 'Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly.'"

Jude 7 "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire."

Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."

Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals"

Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers"

Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

As I understand it the laws on equality are only valid where either person is capable of doing the job. Now this applies for example if you were trying to get a job in a film portraying a woman when you are male, obviously the law is unworkable in such instances so this is why it has this clause. It should be easy to argue that there is no such thing as "Lesbian and gay Christians" so the man should appeal.

Mikeuk · 09-02-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron von Lotsov

As I understand it the laws on equality are only valid where either person is capable of doing the job. Now this applies for example if you were trying to get a job in a film portraying a woman when you are male, obviously the law is unworkable in such instances so this is why it has this clause. It should be easy to argue that there is no such thing as "Lesbian and gay Christians" so the man should appeal.

Absolutely right.

The idea of a 'Gay Christian' is as absurd as a 'Muslim Christian' or a 'Communist Thatcherite'.

The concept is rank heresy and I have some sympathy with those who might argue that it is a heresy that should be extirpated by way of traditional methods.

tito · 10-02-2008, 11:23 AM

By my interpretation of faith, and it is a pretty amateur one, I see no reason why gays should not be allowed in the church.

But, it has nothing to do with me. Churches, businesses, landowners, etc. Should be free to choose who they employ and for whatever reason.

Percentage · 10-02-2008, 05:47 PM

In my experience they've allway's had a rather "BULLish" attitude in Hereford!

g hall · 11-02-2008, 04:20 PM

If the Christian faith teaches against homosexuality why would a homosexual wish to apply for such a position unless he/she is acting as an "agent provocateur "

Mind you didn't Jesus encourage forgiveness ?

Percentage · 11-02-2008, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by g hall

If the Christian faith teaches against homosexuality why would a homosexual wish to apply for such a position unless he/she is acting as an "agent provocateur "

Unfortunately the human nature & false ego of individuals is such that we all have a fundamental desire to attain that which we dont or cant have,whether its morally,financially or whatever attainable or not.

Without personal discipline toward an ethical code of behaviour,greed or lust willl dictate our actions whatever opposition comes in our way!

09-02-2008, 06:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
rjt Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Aldershot Posts: 5,767 Party: Other	The time will come when they will make it illegal for churches not to conduct gay marriages, thegay adoption legislation was the first step along this path in my view paving the way for further erroision into the churches values. This decision is another paving stone being laid. Totally disgraceful and I agree with Kernows comments about how a muslim leader would ne treated wholeheartedly, i know he does not agree with me and other christians here on a variety of other faith related matters but Kernow I thank you for what you have said today. __________________ 'And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God and saying " Glory to God in the highest, And on the earth peace, goodwill toward men". Luke 2: 13-14.

09-02-2008, 07:55 PM	#5 (permalink)
Baron von Lotsov Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,266	"Lesbian and gay Christians" Christians "1 a: one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ" Christian - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary What the Bible says Quote Gen 19:5-8 "and they called to Lot and said to him, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.' But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said, 'Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly.'" Jude 7 "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire." Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death." Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals" Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers" Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error." As I understand it the laws on equality are only valid where either person is capable of doing the job. Now this applies for example if you were trying to get a job in a film portraying a woman when you are male, obviously the law is unworkable in such instances so this is why it has this clause. It should be easy to argue that there is no such thing as "Lesbian and gay Christians" so the man should appeal. __________________ "A government big enough to supply you with everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have..."

11-02-2008, 04:20 PM	#9 (permalink)
g hall Uber Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: erewhon Posts: 5,935	If the Christian faith teaches against homosexuality why would a homosexual wish to apply for such a position unless he/she is acting as an "agent provocateur " Mind you didn't Jesus encourage forgiveness ? __________________ "That government is best which governs least." "This is a sharp Medicine, but it is a Physician for all diseases and miseries". "To be "matter of fact" about the world is to blunder into fantasy --and dull fantasy at that, as the real world is strange and wonderful." TANSTAAFL TANJ

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09-02-2008, 11:11 AM	#2 (permalink)
kernow Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,280	Anni Holden, spokesman for the Diocese of Hereford, said: "We are now aware that when making such an appointment we must make it clear if it is a genuine occupational requirement that the post-holder should believe in and uphold the Christian belief and ideal of marriage, and that sexual relationships are confined to marriage. "This is the crux of the matter, not sexual orientation." Would a Muslim Religious leader be treated the same way? Of course not! It would have never reached the papers!

09-02-2008, 06:21 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mikeuk Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fareham Posts: 5,761 Party: Conservatives	Many Muslims would like to string up the homos. This must put our 'liberal'-fascist masters in a quandary. How can you be pro-Muslim and pro-gay at the same time? Their answer is to proceed blithely as if there were no proiblem. Push 'gay rights' against the rights of normal people and 'Muslim rights' against the rights of the indigenous population. And the great British public put up with it.

10-02-2008, 05:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
Percentage Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: N.Ireland Posts: 1,729	In my experience they've allway's had a rather "BULLish" attitude in Hereford!