Smidgey

The Christ-like way to live is not the most moral one, as we see from immoral members of different churches, such as the Pope or the Archbishop of Canterbury as well as by looking at the ethical codes which Jesus himself gives. They are primitive and flawed and hold no water against the well thought out and much more complex moral systems of the great philosophers. We should seek the most moral life and anything less is a primitive or false morality.

You yourself do not believe in self-ownership, therefore even you are not following the most moral code.

By the way, you were not created, you grew.

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arden forester

The Pope and Archbishop of Canterbury immoral? Wow! What have they been up to? Missed that in the Sun!

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Smidgey

They deny certain moral truths, therefore they have some immoral tendencies. That is not to say that as immoral as someone like Hitler, there are of course certain degrees of immorality.

I am merely pointing out that the ethics of Jesus are primitive and can actually lead to certain immoral outcomes. Jesus obviously did not know as much about ethics as Kant or Hume, for example. The most moral life cannot be reached using a Christian ethic, that is not to say Christians cannot be moral - but that the morality they are subscribing too is false in some parts and flawed in many.

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arden forester

Which begs the question, smidgey, if you follow these highly ethical characters, how moral are you? Stratospherically so?

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For_England

Yes, you are taking it by faith that we live in a logical universe, where 2+2=4. But aren't you presupposing that there are transcendent conceptual truths in an atheistic and meaningless universe? Isn't that a contradiction. Plato saw that, as I'm sure you're aware, and rejected naturalistic materialism as a result.

For_England

Respectable? My childhood wasn't very respectable. Jesus came to save sinners, not make us respectable and self-righteous citizens. I'm not sure where you were going with that one Noachian.

noachian

Well I try and I try but in the end no matter what I say you will always stick your fingers in your ears and sing! Then I go and make one wrong move and all the fingers pop out of the ears and point at me, when all I was trying to do is teach you something. Theres the willingness to be educated at one end and ignorance at the other.

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noachian

OH HELL! Here we go, that guy goes saying all these things about me being brain washed and being a fanatic and I say one thing which isn't exactly 'Christian' and suddenly I'm Pharasee! Oh I'm leaving, I don't need to expalin myself to some people on a forum!

By the way that isn't what I meant...your only looking at the bits you want to hear.

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For_England

nothing nothing nothing

For_England

I said those things ????





whooa! That's how it came across - that's why I wrote to see what you meant by it, because it seemed a strange comment. But I didn't jump to any conclusions. I don't know who you are do I? I'm glad to hear that's not what you meant, but there are people out there like that.