The Archbishop of Wales, Dr. Barry Morgan, "atheistic fundamentalism"

mkpdavies · 24-12-2007, 08:55 AM

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Carnivores kill for food, you don't find "Harold SHipman's" and "Rose Wests" in the animal kingdom!

You haven't met my cats.

kernow · 24-12-2007, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

You haven't met my cats.

I hope you've informed the Police?

rjt · 24-12-2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kernow

What rubbish! Man has been evil to man since time immemorial! The Old Testament is littered with people being slaughtered left right and centre! If mankind ever had a soul, it must have been a long, long time ago! As for man becoming "more like animals, that my friend is a gross insult to animals! Carnivores kill for food, you don't find "Harold SHipman's" and "Rose Wests" in the animal kingdom!

Well I disagree with you about us not having souls, but you are certainly right to draw qattention to mans capacity for evil which has run through generation to generation.

tito · 24-12-2007, 04:45 PM

We do have some sort of soul. In the sense that if you reassembled the atomic structure of a human, it would not be a human. Just a corpse.

noachian · 24-12-2007, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kernow

What rubbish! Man has been evil to man since time immemorial! The Old Testament is littered with people being slaughtered left right and centre! If mankind ever had a soul, it must have been a long, long time ago! As for man becoming "more like animals, that my friend is a gross insult to animals! Carnivores kill for food, you don't find "Harold SHipman's" and "Rose Wests" in the animal kingdom!

True people can be so cruel.....are we even worthy to exist in this universe? But have you ever experienced the love which humans can give? The love that humans feel for one another? In the whole of existance there is nothing more beautiful than love between human beings. God is love, humans have love, therefore Humans are made in the image of God. And we do still have souls, at least some of us do.

noachian · 24-12-2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tito

We do have some sort of soul. In the sense that if you reassembled the atomic structure of a human, it would not be a human. Just a corpse.

Indeed, it is the source of our conciesness.

Smidgey · 24-12-2007, 08:53 PM

The idea of a 'soul' is completely meaningless.

In the sense that you talk of it Tito, it is not really a soul in the traditional sense, but is equivalent to the difference between having a plugged in PC and a monitor in a skip.

As for the soul being the source of our consciousness, Noachian, could I ask you to prove that or provide evidence for this claim?

kernow · 24-12-2007, 09:25 PM

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are we even worthy to exist in this universe?

Some are a lot aren't! Where was the ever loving Father when the Jews were suffering terrible atrocities in Auschwitz and Belson? Where is he when little Children are raped and murdered? Where is he when people en masse Pray for War to end? The God bothers say, "God works in mysterious ways" They're certainly right on that one! My Grandparents and Great Grandparents all died of cancer. I knew this and from early childhood right into adult hood I prayed my Parents wouldn't die of cancer! Well my prayers were half answered Mum didn't Dad did! Mum had a terrible death from Alzheimer's!

tito · 24-12-2007, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

The idea of a 'soul' is completely meaningless.

In the sense that you talk of it Tito, it is not really a soul in the traditional sense, but is equivalent to the difference between having a plugged in PC and a monitor in a skip.

As for the soul being the source of our consciousness, Noachian, could I ask you to prove that or provide evidence for this claim?

Soul is a poor word for what I describe.

noachian · 25-12-2007, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Smidgey

The idea of a 'soul' is completely meaningless.

In the sense that you talk of it Tito, it is not really a soul in the traditional sense, but is equivalent to the difference between having a plugged in PC and a monitor in a skip.

As for the soul being the source of our consciousness, Noachian, could I ask you to prove that or provide evidence for this claim?

For your question Smidgey; no I can't. It is a purely non-scientific theory baised upon assumption and dare I say before such of little of it: faith. A non-scientific theory built on the assumption that all human life must have a superior conciesness created/formed seperate from the flesh of which our condition exists. You can choose to believe this assumption/theory or you can choose an alternative substitute; prehaps if there be a scientific-theory to choose from, however the soul is the most widely excepted conjecture to explain the spiritual existance and physical conciesness of a human being (animals usually believed to have a more primative form).

Dictionary definition:
The principle of life, feeling, thought, and action in humans, regarded as a distinct entity separate from the body, and commonly held to be separable in existence from the body; the spiritual part of humans as distinct from the physical part.

24-12-2007, 08:53 PM	#17 (permalink)
Smidgey Uber Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 2,225 Party: Libertarian Party	The idea of a 'soul' is completely meaningless. In the sense that you talk of it Tito, it is not really a soul in the traditional sense, but is equivalent to the difference between having a plugged in PC and a monitor in a skip. As for the soul being the source of our consciousness, Noachian, could I ask you to prove that or provide evidence for this claim? __________________ How vain is man, who boasts in fight the valour of gigantic might! -Georg Friedrich Händel

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