The Imperialism of Alcoholism!

noachian · 20-12-2007, 12:16 AM

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The NHS is a threat to liberty, not the other way around. They may be a threat to people with smoke irritable diseases, but so are cars that might knock them down in the street. The fact is, such a person chooses to take that risk.

Hmmm interesting point Smidgey, I would like to know more about your unagreement with the NHS. Please tell me.

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I didn't realise that you believe government can defy the laws of logic. Well, you think they can do everything else, so why not this as well? Government cannot take rights away. Rights are innate, by virtue of being a human being. Government can suppress rights - then they are acting in an immoral fashion - but they cannot take rights away.

I know that rights are natural. But you say take rights away don't you, its just a saying, not actually a logical saying I would agree.

Smidgey · 20-12-2007, 12:19 AM

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Hmmm interesting point Smidgey, I would like to know more about your unagreement with the NHS. Please tell me.

Well, I care for the life and health of my fellow human beings - so obviously I don't want the government in charge of their health provision.

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I know that rights are natural. But you say take rights away don't you, its just a saying, not actually a logical saying I would agree.

Okay, so pragmatically speaking, it makes sense.

PCMadness · 20-12-2007, 12:28 AM

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Well, I care for the life and health of my fellow human beings - so obviously I don't want the government in charge of their health provision.

Hi Smidgey, So in your vision who would be in charge?

noachian · 20-12-2007, 12:31 AM

Might I ask Smidgey??? What political party do you support? It would be an interesting thing to know.

Smidgey · 20-12-2007, 12:53 AM

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Hi Smidgey, So in your vision who would be in charge?

There needs to be a central planner in health care?

I don't think a 'who' should be a charge, but a 'what'. That would of course be the free market.

Smidgey · 20-12-2007, 12:56 AM

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Might I ask Smidgey??? What political party do you support? It would be an interesting thing to know.

I'm apolitical. There is no pro-liberty party in the UK.

Although this does look promising:

UK Libertarian Party

noachian · 20-12-2007, 12:57 AM

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I'm apolitical. There is no pro-liberty party in the UK.

Although this does look promising:

UK Libertarian Party

Interesting, so it comes in 2008. Well I think that could be a point of interest for many.

PCMadness · 20-12-2007, 01:37 AM

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There needs to be a central planner in health care?.

This is different to the Ministry of Health how? Your central planner b eit a body or a person will be answerable to who?

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I don't think a 'who' should be a charge, but a 'what'. That would of course be the free market.

So only those that can afford health care will get health care

Smidgey · 20-12-2007, 01:41 AM

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This is different to the Ministry of Health how? Your central planner b eit a body or a person will be answerable to who?

There will be no central planner. Is there a central planner in the retail industry? I thought that was clear? Except in the extremely unlikely event of a market monopoly.

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So only those that can afford health care will get health care

Firstly, that will be the vast majority of people.

Secondly, charities exist.

PCMadness · 20-12-2007, 02:13 AM

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There will be no central planner. Is there a central planner in the retail industry? I thought that was clear? Except in the extremely unlikely event of a market monopoly.

No, but they are controlled by legislation and the commerce/monopolies commission to ensure fair trade and competition. Also the retail industries primary aim is to make money for the shareholders

Sounds like you support globalisation and capitalism to me.

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Firstly, that will be the vast majority of people.

Really?

If the 'vast majority' of people could afford private health care, why are the 'vast majority' still in the NHS system being shunted from waiting list to waiting list, waiting for operations for years and years when they could get it done privately immediately?

In the real world more and more people are living below the poverty line, unemployed, unemployable, on benefits rotting on our dilapidated estates. Can they afford private health care? The single parents on one income, can they afford private health care? the cheap labour immigrants working for a pittance, can they afford private health care?

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Secondly, charities exist.

Classic!!

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