Dhimmi Britain....as Sharia creeps in

Baron von Lotsov · 28-12-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

I hate to shock some of the fearful sheep that frequent this forum, but most Muslims just want a quite life like us.

Did you all hate the Irish with such passion because of the actions of the IRA?

Do you all fear Americans, because their leaders bomb the **** out of anything that moves?

Do you look at Chinese people with suspision, because of the bad things their government do/have done?

Did you ask if the Russians loved their children too?

It is so easy to see why we are in the state we are. Powermongers just scare the little sheep to death and they do exactly as they are told.

PATHETIC.

If I stood outside Slough station and saw nothing but Irish for half an hour and felt like I was actually in an Irish station then I would think something was up.

mkpdavies · 28-12-2007, 04:53 PM

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The Muslim fundamentalist problem is a worldwide phenomenon. and it potentially affects all of us

Fundamentalists who use violence and cheating to further their cause are the problem full stop. Yes that includes the few the Muzzas have, but for Gods sake don't play into the game that this is them vs us. This is people vs powermongering scum of all kinds.

Mikeuk · 28-12-2007, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

Fundamentalists who use violence and cheating to further their cause are the problem full stop. Yes that includes the few the Muzzas have, but for Gods sake don't play into the game that this is them vs us. This is people vs powermongering scum of all kinds.

Yes. The threat has been manipulated to serve the Bushes and Blairs of this world with their endless lies about the so-called 'War on Terror'.

But that deosn't mean the threat is non-existent.

mkpdavies · 28-12-2007, 05:22 PM

I agree. Giving the scumbags recruitment boosts and justifications for their actions, just seem stupid to me though.

The Guvnah · 30-12-2007, 11:43 PM

How about giving them £70mill as a "muslim leadership capacity building" bribe. Thank Hazel Bleeeuuurggghhhs for that one. What message does this send? "...stupid kuffar, we protest, bomb and threaten constantly and they give us 70 big ones, waive planning consents and send their kids to our mosques?? we'll have some more of this insh'allah! Here have a few votes in return.

House of Commons Hansard Written Answers for 29 Nov 2007 (pt 0028)

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Community Relations: Religion

Mr. Paul Goodman: To ask the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government pursuant to the Statement of the Prime Minister of 14 November 2007, Official Report, columns 667-72, on national security, how the £70 million for community projects devoted to countering extremism announced by the Prime Minister will be spent; and how much (a) was spent in 2006-07 and (b) will be spent in (i) 2007-08 and (ii) each of the next three years. [168398]

Mr. Dhanda: In his statement of 14 November, my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister confirmed that £70 million is being invested in community projects that are dedicated to countering violent extremism over the next three years (financial years 2008-09 to 2010-11).

My right hon. Friend the Secretary of State announced on 31 October that around £25 million of that would be invested in national schemes to directly support communities, including:

Equipping faith leaders with the skills and understanding required to lead communities, building their capacity to engage with young people on the challenges they face, including extremism. For example, ensuring imams can communicate more effectively with young people;

Support communities to broaden the provision of citizenship education in mosque schools, equipping young people themselves with the understanding and arguments to reject extremists’ messages;

Developing new minimum standards for public institutions (e.g. prisons, universities) engaging imams working with young or vulnerable people;

Supporting the Charity Commission’s work to improve governance standards in faith institutions, including mosques;

Increase the provision of leadership training available to Muslim communities, particularly women and young people.

Their leadership doesn't seem to have ANY trouble at all mobilizing 500 masked and camoflaged youth at a moments notice in any part of the country at the drop of a bacon butty!!

I find the following rather alarming though...

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...In 2006-07 financial year £1.4 million of programme funding was spent on projects to prevent violent extremism by the Department for Communities and Local Government.

Ruth Kelly's own armed urban guerilla snatch squads at it again?

John Cooper · 31-12-2007, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mkpdavies

I hate to shock some of the fearful sheep that frequent this forum, but most Muslims just want a quite life like us.

Did you all hate the Irish with such passion because of the actions of the IRA?

Do you all fear Americans, because their leaders bomb the **** out of anything that moves?

Do you look at Chinese people with suspision, because of the bad things their government do/have done?

Did you ask if the Russians loved their children too?

It is so easy to see why we are in the state we are. Powermongers just scare the little sheep to death and they do exactly as they are told.

PATHETIC.

Do you not understand the difference between religion and race ?? Islam teaches in the Quran :-
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
At-Tawba - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now of course many muslims do not practise that. However it does not mean that we should not hate Islam (not the people who follow it by name but not thank God in reality).

BTW if you believe everything every muslim says google Taqiyya

PCMadness · 02-01-2008, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

I hate to shock some of the fearful sheep that frequent this forum, but most Muslims just want a quite life like us.

Did you all hate the Irish with such passion because of the actions of the IRA?

Do you all fear Americans, because their leaders bomb the **** out of anything that moves?

Do you look at Chinese people with suspision, because of the bad things their government do/have done?

Did you ask if the Russians loved their children too?

It is so easy to see why we are in the state we are. Powermongers just scare the little sheep to death and they do exactly as they are told.

PATHETIC.

No to all your questions, but you are so far from the point. I agree, many muslims are just getting on with it. But when push comes to shove those moderates you seem to hold so dear will not side with you, but with the Ummah. This happy veneer of Islam that you seem to be alluding to is nothing but an illusion.

You might be quite happy watching Europe being gradually islamified. I am not, because I know what is in store for us non muslims if it continues. I refer you to the plight of the coptic christians in Egypt, the Assyrians in Iraq, The Christians in the north of Nigeria, the Bhuddists and Christians in the restive south of Thailand, the armenians, the Hindus of India. I could go on ....and on ....and on. History never lies and Islam never changes. But I guarantee, history wil repeat itself if we don't wake up.

Do you have any knowledge at all about Islam? Do you have any idea what they do once they are strong enough? Do you have any clue about Wahabism and its Saudi funded assault on the western world? Who do you think has the power in the Islamic Ummah? Who do you think controls an increasing proportion of the UK mosques? ......The Islamlists

So who's the sheep

I leave you with one quote. 'War is deception' The so called prophet of Islam said that. We are certainly being deceived.

mkpdavies · 02-01-2008, 09:01 PM

I have plenty of Knowledge about Islam. Just like any other religion it is a book of fairy tails, that some people choose to follow literaly. Some people chose to follow bits of it. Some people choose to say they follow it, but don't really. Some people interpret it how they want to and follow it that way.

I know more than most of the scared, fearful and frankly quite pathetic people on this forum who fear a crappy religion and want to label millions of people as a danger, because of their own irrational, fear drenched prejucdice.

Why , because I have lived and worked with Muslims for a large chunk of my life. I went to University with many Muslims and saw first hand how seriously they took their Koran. I have a Sister in law who is Muslim (yes that's right, and she doesn't have horns or anything).

Are there fanatical nutters who want to follow their story book to the nth degree. Sure is. Especially in areas where it is a shithole and there are plenty of excuses to hate the west. Perhaps we should stop giving them recruitment boosts and then we can then claim the moral high ground and truly address any fanatics that do try and convert through violence.

Should we pander to them here? Hell no. They should be told this is a free country and they have no more or less rights than the rest of us. If they don't like that, then they can **** off.

Keep winding them up and trying to make it a them and us situation, then that's perhaps what you will get. Given the racist views of many, I suspect that is the idea though.

There is more than one kind of fanatic on this planet.

Stephen Booth · 02-01-2008, 10:17 PM

Has anybody read the recent book about 'Islamofascism' by Norman Podhoretz?

Does anybody on here have an opinion about the usefulness or harmfulness of a concept like 'Islamofascism'?

Stephen Booth · 02-01-2008, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PCMadness

... But when push comes to shove those moderates you seem to hold so dear will not side with you, but with the Ummah. This happy veneer of Islam that you seem to be alluding to is nothing but an illusion.

You might be quite happy watching Europe being gradually islamified. I am not, because I know what is in store for us non muslims if it continues. I refer you to the plight of the coptic christians in Egypt, the Assyrians in Iraq, The Christians in the north of Nigeria, the Bhuddists and Christians in the restive south of Thailand, the armenians, the Hindus of India. I could go on ....and on ....and on. History never lies and Islam never changes. But I guarantee, history wil repeat itself if we don't wake up.

Do you have any knowledge at all about Islam? Do you have any idea what they do once they are strong enough? Do you have any clue about Wahabism and its Saudi funded assault on the western world? Who do you think has the power in the Islamic Ummah? Who do you think controls an increasing proportion of the UK mosques? ......The Islamlists

...

I leave you with one quote. 'War is deception' The so called prophet of Islam said that. We are certainly being deceived.

If this is true, then this paints a very bleak future of an Enoch Powell style race war on the streets of Britain.

But I think this idea about 'Europe is being Islamified' is wrong. How does this opinion sit with the competing conspiracy type views about Europe being a Roman Catholic conspiracy, or that Europe is an aggressively secular, anti-religious entity?

In Denmark there is a strong backlash against Islam, as seen with the cartoon controversy, for example. Something similar in Holland following the murder of the film maker Theo Van Gogh. France with opposition to the riots in the suburbs of Paris and other places, fears about Algerian terrorists, Spain after the Madrid bombings, with similar cartoons to the Danish example, the recent anti Mosque election campaign in Switzerland with the election poster about the black sheep being booted out of Switzerland. In Italy there was the example of Ariana Falici.

It seems to me that there is an ongoing sustained campaign of negative publicity against Islam in Europe. This represents a real increase in the level of racism and hostility against Muslims in the wider society. I think it is quite predictable that this would happen as a result of the various terrorist attacks.

With respect, I would suggest that the long term results of these things have yet to become apparent.

28-12-2007, 05:22 PM	#24 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 32,059 Party: Libertarian Party	I agree. Giving the scumbags recruitment boosts and justifications for their actions, just seem stupid to me though. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Lib Dems

02-01-2008, 09:01 PM	#28 (permalink)
mkpdavies Uber Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Woking Posts: 32,059 Party: Libertarian Party	I have plenty of Knowledge about Islam. Just like any other religion it is a book of fairy tails, that some people choose to follow literaly. Some people chose to follow bits of it. Some people choose to say they follow it, but don't really. Some people interpret it how they want to and follow it that way. I know more than most of the scared, fearful and frankly quite pathetic people on this forum who fear a crappy religion and want to label millions of people as a danger, because of their own irrational, fear drenched prejucdice. Why , because I have lived and worked with Muslims for a large chunk of my life. I went to University with many Muslims and saw first hand how seriously they took their Koran. I have a Sister in law who is Muslim (yes that's right, and she doesn't have horns or anything). Are there fanatical nutters who want to follow their story book to the nth degree. Sure is. Especially in areas where it is a shithole and there are plenty of excuses to hate the west. Perhaps we should stop giving them recruitment boosts and then we can then claim the moral high ground and truly address any fanatics that do try and convert through violence. Should we pander to them here? Hell no. They should be told this is a free country and they have no more or less rights than the rest of us. If they don't like that, then they can **** off. Keep winding them up and trying to make it a them and us situation, then that's perhaps what you will get. Given the racist views of many, I suspect that is the idea though. There is more than one kind of fanatic on this planet. __________________ http://brits4ronpaul.blogspot.com/ http://wokinglibertarians.blogspot.com/ http://lpuk.org My ignore list Labour, Lib Dems

02-01-2008, 10:17 PM	#29 (permalink)
Stephen Booth Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Galgate, Lancaster Posts: 234 Party: None	Has anybody read the recent book about 'Islamofascism' by Norman Podhoretz? Does anybody on here have an opinion about the usefulness or harmfulness of a concept like 'Islamofascism'? __________________ Britain Out of Europe Now !

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