Why are students so easy to manipulate?

For_England · 26-11-2007, 03:45 PM

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Feel free to explain how, instead of going all red in the face and throwing a big sulky strop.

Here we go with the 'you're throwing a strop' defence. It's old already. Anyway, your definition of distributionism, though to be fair, it seems that any system involving taxation in yoru opinion places that system in the far left. Not going to get anywhere are we? and believe it or not, i would rather discusss than get into slagging matches. good day.

mkpdavies · 26-11-2007, 03:50 PM

Probably not.

I think taking property off of others without their consent is stealing, you don't. End of really.

For_England · 26-11-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

Probably not.

I think taking property off of others without their consent is stealing, you don't.

Not necessarily. I've often wondered if we could have a tax system based upon tariffs only. But maintaing justice, a government, and an army costs money, and it has to come from somewhere.

Little Englander (sour) · 26-11-2007, 04:44 PM

Governments don't steal from us, we give them leave to dip into our pockets every 5 years or so. Boy, do they take advantage.

Francis · 26-11-2007, 04:53 PM

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Says it all really.

In the 70's kids dyed their hair bright colors, put safety pins through their noses, and said "look mum, ain't I shocking?", the Oxford union uses their debates to serve much the same purpose.

I bet they are loving the controversy, I bet they feel like real rebels, and why not, a year from now they'll be graduated, and spending the rest of their lives as barristers, estate agents, or whatever else, in a mundane 9 to 5 existance, this is their moment to shock, outrage, and show the world how they are not just like their parents, even though the tradition is so old now that they are employing the same "shock" tactics that their parents used.

It's all just part of growing up.

mkpdavies · 26-11-2007, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Little Englander (sour)

Governments don't steal from us, we give them leave to dip into our pockets every 5 years or so. Boy, do they take advantage.

I don't give them leave to do that. We get what we are given.

Baron von Lotsov · 01-12-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Francis

Previous guests have included disgraced former US President Richard Nixon, currently under siege Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, IRA connected Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams, creationist A. E. Wilder-Smith, homosexual Stephen Fry, black militant Malcolm X, suspected murderer O.J. Simpson, porn stars Jenna Jameson and Ron Jeremy, cheat footballer and cocaine addict Diego Maradona, suspected pedophile Michael Jackson, televangelist Jerry Falwell, TV talk show host Jerry Springer, and puppet Kermit the Frog...

Says it all really.

In the 70's kids dyed their hair bright colors, put safety pins through their noses, and said "look mum, ain't I shocking?", the Oxford union uses their debates to serve much the same purpose.

I bet they are loving the controversy, I bet they feel like real rebels, and why not, a year from now they'll be graduated, and spending the rest of their lives as barristers, estate agents, or whatever else, in a mundane 9 to 5 existance, this is their moment to shock, outrage, and show the world how they are not just like their parents, even though the tradition is so old now that they are employing the same "shock" tactics that their parents used.

It's all just part of growing up.

You have hit the nail on the head there. My girlfriend at the time went to Balliol and I spent a week there squatting in the place. I attended one of their debates in the junior common room known as the JCR as opposed to the senior version. Also I was at one or two of their parties in the college and generally got to know them. On the whole they were an ok bunch of people, they were polite and interested in lots of stuff but you are right in that there was an element of rebel in them. They used to hold these parties on the college roofs and one night one of the dons stormed in and got a huge marker pen and scrawled across the wall of their bedroom what he thought of it. I mean the graffiti was still there when I was shown it. Now that is what the senior ones are like. What a crazy place.

kernow · 01-12-2007, 10:59 PM

Having to earn a living usually sorts most students out, or it did in my day and in 10 years time will have probably sorted out most of today's rebels without a cause! Of course you'll always get the odd misfit who never grows out of it, they become professional placard carriers, always anti something or other.

John Carter · 04-12-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kernow

Having to earn a living usually sorts most students out, or it did in my day and in 10 years time will have probably sorted out most of today's rebels without a cause! Of course you'll always get the odd misfit who never grows out of it, they become professional placard carriers, always anti something or other.

Does anti-student count?

kernow · 04-12-2007, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by John Carter

Does anti-student count?

I don't know I've never seen a anti student placard carrier!

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Francis Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 77	Previous guests have included disgraced former US President Richard Nixon, currently under siege Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, IRA connected Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams, creationist A. E. Wilder-Smith, homosexual Stephen Fry, black militant Malcolm X, suspected murderer O.J. Simpson, porn stars Jenna Jameson and Ron Jeremy, cheat footballer and cocaine addict Diego Maradona, suspected pedophile Michael Jackson, televangelist Jerry Falwell, TV talk show host Jerry Springer, and puppet Kermit the Frog... Says it all really. In the 70's kids dyed their hair bright colors, put safety pins through their noses, and said "look mum, ain't I shocking?", the Oxford union uses their debates to serve much the same purpose. I bet they are loving the controversy, I bet they feel like real rebels, and why not, a year from now they'll be graduated, and spending the rest of their lives as barristers, estate agents, or whatever else, in a mundane 9 to 5 existance, this is their moment to shock, outrage, and show the world how they are not just like their parents, even though the tradition is so old now that they are employing the same "shock" tactics that their parents used. It's all just part of growing up.

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kernow Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,184	Having to earn a living usually sorts most students out, or it did in my day and in 10 years time will have probably sorted out most of today's rebels without a cause! Of course you'll always get the odd misfit who never grows out of it, they become professional placard carriers, always anti something or other.