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Old 01-11-2007, 09:12 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Yes it does. But it would be off most of the day if you are suggesting that it should be switched off when there is anything unsuitable for younger viewers.
The implication from your post is that all channels available to you simultaneously broadcast material unsuitable for younger viewers most of the day. C'mon.......

And, in any case, should younger viewers be watching television most of the day anyway?
Should anyone be watching television for most of the day?
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What are we all being groomed for??? It seems to me to be an exercise in desensitising us to things that should be morally objectionable (or certainly were when I was growing up).
You are the morally objectionable one for wanting to ban such material!

You want government violence and force to back up what you deem as morally right? That is objectionable in my opinion.

Keep your twisted morality to yourself.
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completely agree. I pondered this one some time ago, 'cos essentially I don't like the idea of censorship. so i've decided that i want a scenario where there is no censorship, since the environment around is morally ok. At present, much of the content being thrown at people is morally reprehensible (and yes, I know that's a value judgement) so something has to be done.

Again, back to my pet topic, the unconscious mind. It cannot sort out fact from fiction, your conscious mind does that bUT the conscious mind can't do that job for all of the input it gets. So if you see, hear or worse, act out in video games, violence and mayhem, then the unconscious mind builds pathways where such behaviour is acceptable - a learned behaviour, in fact.

we teach people by getting them to watch, listen, enact, write, and so on. If that is our method for teaching, why would you feel that the same processes being used whilst watching and playing violent games will not teach that violence is acceptable?
Wow, I'm going to turn into a gun-wielding murderer and I didn't even realise it.

Perhaps all those who play World of Warcraft will turn into elves and orcs too?

Get real. Go watch Demolition Man or something, then tell me that's the kind of world you want to live in.
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Your username is PCmadness, but you'd support this censorship? If you don't like what's on TV, don't watch it.
I'm old enough and mature enough, just as you, to be able to rationalise what I am seeing and yes I will turn off if I don't want to watch something. I'm talking more of younger viewers.

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I don't believe there's a causal link between violence on TV or in games (I play GTA, and have no urge to start a crime ring).
Really? How many young kids go out and re-enact on the playground what they have just watched on powerrangers or ninja turtles? You are suggesting that people cannot be influenced by external images, text or sound. Scientologists, jihadists, cult followers anyone???? The mind can be manipulated.


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Boo Hoo! At least you have decent broadband speed!
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The implication from your post is that all channels available to you simultaneously broadcast material unsuitable for younger viewers most of the day. C'mon.......
No I'm not suggesting all. But you have to admit that it is uncertain these days what content can be slipped in and eny time of the day. Especially the satellite channels.

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And, in any case, should younger viewers be watching television most of the day anyway?
Should anyone be watching television for most of the day?
Err.... I was being a little flippant. But regardless, the amount of time people spend in front of the box is increasing.
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You are the morally objectionable one for wanting to ban such material!
Where the **** did I say ban the material??????

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You want government violence and force to back up what you deem as morally right? That is objectionable in my opinion.
Did you inhale???? Government violence????? Where???? What????

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Keep your twisted morality to yourself.
Twisted morality that most normal sane people would think is normal morality. Go back to sleep you muppet!!
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Listen peeps. I'm not saying ban the material. I am saying there is a time and a place for EVERYTHING.

Potentially subjecting young children to such **** is irresponsible!! Not much is left to the imagination these days on some of these programs and games, it is highly graphic.

Surely we are the adults or should be !!!!!!
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Do any of you think that there is not censorship now???

There is and always has been, it's just that for some reason the boundaries are being pushed further and further.......I refer back to the 9 o'clock watershed.

But as I inferred, common sense has not prevailed in years.
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Where the **** did I say ban the material??????
Firstly, calm down.

Secondly, by ban, I mean ban from our television screens. A censure.

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Did you inhale???? Government violence????? Where???? What????
You clearly do not understand how government works. let me paint a pretty picture for you. You censure certain material. A television station broadcasts such material. the television station is fined, thus coming across our first piece of violence in the system - theft. If the station refuses to pay the fine because it believes in free speech, then the station will be shut down, coming to the second instance of violence, destruction of property, or the managers of the station will be arrested for fine defaulting, the third type of violence, disregard for self-ownership. If they resist arrest it may result in violence by the authorities against their person, the fourth type of violence - battery. Finally, if they continue to resist then there is always the possibility of death during an attempted and violent arrest - murder.

If you do not believe that government controls over individuals are not intrinsically violent then you are living in crazy land. If a man in the street orders me to do something at threat of taking my money, he is threatening violent. The state is no different. Whether it is done by one person or 1,000 bureaucrats or even a dictatorship of the majority (as we currently have), it makes no difference.

So I will repeat what I said earlier, you are advocating government violence for your own selfish ends. Morally repugnant.

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Twisted morality that most normal sane people would think is normal morality. Go back to sleep you muppet!!
As my above comment will have explained, your twisted morality was the fact that you want others to do your violence for you. I was not talking about what is on our television screens. Whether moral or not, it is far more immortal to censure freedom of speech than it is to let what some would call a few acts of depravity appear on our television screens.

Your television does have an off-switch right?

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Potentially subjecting young children to such **** is irresponsible!! Not much is left to the imagination these days on some of these programs and games, it is highly graphic.
Typical statist ideas. "Think of the children!".

What is irresponsible is if you as a parent are too lazy to control your child's television viewing. Others should not be punished for the incompetence of a few parents.

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Do any of you think that there is not censorship now???
Just because it happens now doesn't make it right, if that is the argument you are trying to make.

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But as I inferred, common sense has not prevailed in years.
That much is obvious from your postings.
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Firstly, calm down.

Secondly, by ban, I mean ban from our television screens. A censure.
I never said ban. WHEN programs are shown with such material is the issue, NOT IF. I have no problem with such content as long as you can be sure that it is not going to be shown before a certain time. Adult programs with adult content are for adults and should be shown at an appropriate time. If 7pm is your bedtime then video it and watch it another time

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You clearly do not understand how government works.
Patronising fool!!!!

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let me paint a pretty picture for you. You censure certain material. A television station broadcasts such material. the television station is fined, thus coming across our first piece of violence in the system - theft. If the station refuses to pay the fine because it believes in free speech, then the station will be shut down, coming to the second instance of violence, destruction of property, or the managers of the station will be arrested for fine defaulting, the third type of violence, disregard for self-ownership. If they resist arrest it may result in violence by the authorities against their person, the fourth type of violence - battery. Finally, if they continue to resist then there is always the possibility of death during an attempted and violent arrest - murder.

If you do not believe that government controls over individuals are not intrinsically violent then you are living in crazy land. If a man in the street orders me to do something at threat of taking my money, he is threatening violent. The state is no different. Whether it is done by one person or 1,000 bureaucrats or even a dictatorship of the majority (as we currently have), it makes no difference.

So I will repeat what I said earlier, you are advocating government violence for your own selfish ends. Morally repugnant.
OMG. You say I'm twisted. Do you rock yourself to sleep at the potential horror? Your thought process to get to that point are ...well....Orwellian.

Wherever we look there are boundaries. Most are set through law. Some are set personally through commonsense. Some are set through religion etc. There used to be boundaries in the broadcasting area. Broadcasters have always tried air items that were deemed inappropriate for that time of day. Those boundaries were always tested and programs were rejected etc. Those boundaries have gradually been blurred or moved or totally erroded, to the point where there are very few boundaries left and there seems to be a competition to air the most shocking content.

You cannot deny that standards are lower than 20 years ago.


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As my above comment will have explained, your twisted morality was the fact that you want others to do your violence for you.
Verbal diarrhea!!!! and should be treated as such! Keep taking the pills!!

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I was not talking about what is on our television screens. Whether moral or not, it is far more immortal to censure freedom of speech than it is to let what some would call a few acts of depravity appear on our television screens.
Listen to what I'm saying !!!! It's not what's on it's the time that it's on. So tits at 5pm, followed by bitchslapping at 6pm and then the evening happy slapping program maybe with a bit of brutal murder is fine is it?

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Your television does have an off-switch right?
Yes and it's off most of the time!!!

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Typical statist ideas. "Think of the children!".
That's just it though isn't it? No one does think of the children any more do they?

People, (like you I imagine) are far too caught up in their own selfish, inconsiderate, little, insignificant existance to "worry" about anyone else. That's what's wrong with society. Everyone is in it for themselves, all take, no give.

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What is irresponsible is if you as a parent are too lazy to control your child's television viewing. Others should not be punished for the incompetence of a few parents.
Do you sit with your kids every minute they are watching TV ready to jump up and change the channel? No didin't think so.

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Just because it happens now doesn't make it right, if that is the argument you are trying to make.
You're acting like it has never happened. There have always been controls on broadcasting. Sadly, more and more relaxed.

Without boundaries anarchy rules!!!!


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That much is obvious from your postings.
and everybody loves a smartarse.......not!!!!
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