PCMadness

Ahhhhhhhhh.. that old nutshell HFP..... funny I've seen this response before. A stock answer you might say. Must have been in the booklet when they were brainwashing you. Next up, Timothy McVeigh, Hitler and the crusades Shall I bother cherry picking Sura 9 verses?

Bringing other religions down to the level of Islam is one of the most popular strategies of Muslim apologists when confronted with the spectacle of Islamic violence. Why pick on Islam if other religions have the same problems?

No other religion has such problems on the scale of Islam, does it? Christianity is a monotheistic religion centered on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as recounted in the New Testament. The hint is within the name of the religion

Everything you quoted was old testament. The Old Testament is essentially the Jewish Bible, or Tanakh, with some minor variations. It includes religious law, historical narratives, wisdom literature and prophetic writings.

How are Christians to regard the Old Testament, given that it is essentially the sacred text of another religion? The answer lies in Christianity's view of its relationship to Judaism. The early Christians decided that while Judaism was the true revelation of God and the foundation of Christianity, Christianity represented a new era of God's dealings with the world so the extensive body of Jewish law was no longer binding. Similarly, the general Christian attitude toward the Old Testament may be summarized as follows:

Religious principles and ideas (such as the notion of a sovereign God who is active in human history) are appropriated; religious practices (such as dietary laws and sacrificial routines) are not.

Thus the Old Testament is useful and edifying in that it tells of the true God's actions in Israel, but it does not carry the same level of authority or relevance as the New Testament.

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I have learned more about My Religion on this illustrious Forum than about Democracy.
Remember I am new to religion, compared to my interests in Democracy.

Tonight I have been reading the Fiqh-us-Sunnah.

"Next up, Timothy McVeigh, Hitler and the crusades Shall I bother cherry picking Sura 9 verses?"

If you leave out the first three, I look forward to your cherry picking Sura 9 verses.
Heres a hand USC-MSA Compendium of Muslim Texts

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CHRIST the founder of Christianity did not include violent and bloodthirsty ranting in his teaching.
Muhammed, founder of islam seemed to go out of his way to find the most violent penalties for muslims and non-muslims.
All this when, in his 50's, he was haveing sex with a nine year old girl. But she was his wife so HE said it was ok!
The problem is that for some muslims Islam is a pick and mix faith. Sue for being offered pork but stand outside of the mosque to finish their fag.
The six year old girl Muhammed married was Aisha, daughter of Abu Bakr. He willingly gave his daughter to be one of the (10 or 11) wives of this old man. Abu Bakr's name is now given to many Muslim girls schools.

PCMadness

You should already understand democracy but I'm fascinated to know what you've learned about your religion. I didn't realise that a secondary function of this forum was to aid spiritual enlightenment.

I won't be. I was merely pointing out that your cherry picking efforts are usually matched by anti-Islamist cherry picking from the sword verses of the quran. An interesting source you chose for yours. I'm sure I would find many such sites saying the same about the quran.

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The Bear

Islam includes "cherry picking" from the Koran as one of its principles.

Hartlepool

A long time ago,in the early 70s an American religious(Bible belt) nutter told me that the koran was the result of someone in the East who had read the Bible and made changes to it to suit his/their causes,and that's why the koran is very similar to the Bible in many parts.

Ancient plagiarism,who knows?

All this koran stuff supposedly happened about 600 or so years after the Bible was written.

The Bear

The Koran is nothing like the bible.

The bible is mostly a narrative whereas the koran is a book of verses to be learned and constantly recited.

The very name, koran, means recite, the act that by continuous repetition and relating everyday events to what is contained in the many verses that effectively brain washes those who engage in it.

Hartlepool

Are you saying that the many parts of the koran do not appear in the Bible which preceded it Bear?

The Bible and koran have many names, as well as the ones you quoted.

Saying that one is only a narrative,and the other is only recited verses,means nothing at all,so what

Fact,the Bible was first by 6 centuries and the koran contains many similarities and parts of it,thats all I said,but it's the truth too.

John Connor

islam is actually Christianity without the good bits. You know, the sacrifice of our Lord on the cross, etc.. As such, a fair few Christians believe it to be inspired by the enemy - he of the pointy horns. Think about it - the best way to tell a lie is to wrap it in truth.

What happened is that the warmongering pedophile terrorist saw how much notice people took of the Bible and decided that it'd be a good way of controlling people. Very useful kind of activity for a warmongering pedophile terrorist, wouldn't you say?

If you notice, at the start of the koran (the back of the book, since it's backwards) he's quite nice towards Jews. He popped over to the Jews and showed them his new book in progress and tried to get them involved, to which the Jews just said "foxtrot oscar you weirdo" - which resulted in his attitude change towards them and subsequent verses at the end (the front) of his book calling them pigdogs and the like.

At least the scientologists don't kill people.

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“Hartlepool”, Have you ever actually read the Koran?

Also comparing what is written in the Koran relative to what is written in the bible shows that although the names remain similar the events have been significantly changed.

The bible is mostly a narrative. It is for the most part in a sequence, it sets out a story from creation to the Apocrypha. The Koran is not. It is a number of chapters put together in size order and not chronological order and in fact when it IS sorted out chronologically it shows many very significant disconnects as Mohammed plainly changed what he was reported as having been told to line up with what he wanted to do at the time.

Quote "islam is actually Christianity without the good bits".

I disagree there is nothing remotely Christian about Islam.

Islam is the very antithesis to Christianity. Allah has no resemblance to the God of the Jews when the attributes of the two are compared and contrasted.

Otherwise I think that John Connor has got it almost dead right with his assessment of Islam.