"School may change name of Halloween to Autumn Festival" (claim)

John Carter · 09-10-2007, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kernow

You've been watching too many Disney films!

Now that you mention it, I do have a thing for Snow White.

youcanhandlethetruth · 09-10-2007, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rjt

What we do at our church is offer an alternative fancy dress party on the day itself and for any member of the congregation who wants one the local police supply them with a sign stating they do not wish to be disturbed by trick or treat, some of our elderly members have been subject to some abusive behaviour in the past when they have refused to contribute to children knocking on their door.

I take your point and of course I don't condone abusive children, espicially to OAPS.

However I still believe cancelling a childrens disco on religious grounds is excessive and abusive to civil liberties to say the least.....

rjt · 10-10-2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by youcanhandlethetruth

I take your point and of course I don't condone abusive children, espicially to OAPS.

However I still believe cancelling a childrens disco on religious grounds is excessive and abusive to civil liberties to say the least.....

I certainly would not stop or seek to stop any such disco just I was pointing out how as a church we obviously dont encourage children to clelebrate pagan festivals so offer attractive alternatives.

Kevin Adamson · 10-10-2007, 09:13 PM

[quote=rjt;431365]I certainly would not stop or seek to stop any such disco just I was pointing out how as a church we obviously dont encourage children to clelebrate pagan festivals so offer attractive alternatives.[/QUO

The Pagan festival to which I think you refer was the night of the Samhain which was the end of the summer and begining of winter (a time of bad spirits)The Pagans would dance round the fire and generally have a good time to ward off the baddies.This celebration was highjacked by the christian church in 835 ad.The church called it All Hallows eve followed by All Hallows day/All saints day.Christians beliveing that goodwill and Jesus would conquer the bad spirits.The festival was collectivley known as Hallowe'en . So well done rjt after 1200 years of a mutual celebration you have decided to go it alone with your church .

Mischief night (nov 4) is a more recent happening when the boys of the village would get up to all sorts to raise money for fireworks and has nothing whatsoever to do with hallowe'en. Somewhere along the road it has attatched itself to the Hallowe'en festival.

So on October 31st I'll dance round the bonfire have a drop of the hard stuff and say my prayers.........goodnight and god bless

tito · 10-10-2007, 11:52 PM

It was banned in my old (Christian) school years ago.

rjt · 11-10-2007, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by rjt

I certainly would not stop or seek to stop any such disco just I was pointing out how as a church we obviously dont encourage children to clelebrate pagan festivals so offer attractive alternatives.[/QUO

The Pagan festival to which I think you refer was the night of the Samhain which was the end of the summer and begining of winter (a time of bad spirits)The Pagans would dance round the fire and generally have a good time to ward off the baddies.This celebration was highjacked by the christian church in 835 ad.The church called it All Hallows eve followed by All Hallows day/All saints day.Christians beliveing that goodwill and Jesus would conquer the bad spirits.The festival was collectivley known as Hallowe'en . So well done rjt after 1200 years of a mutual celebration you have decided to go it alone with your church .

Mischief night (nov 4) is a more recent happening when the boys of the village would get up to all sorts to raise money for fireworks and has nothing whatsoever to do with hallowe'en. Somewhere along the road it has attatched itself to the Hallowe'en festival.

So on October 31st I'll dance round the bonfire have a drop of the hard stuff and say my prayers.........goodnight and god bless

We have never celebrated Halloween at my church nor any the naglican churches in my area to the best of my knowledge in my life time. the church has been arround a bit longer than me though.

Gramboy2 · 11-10-2007, 10:20 AM

Yet more interference by self appointed busybodies.

Why can't people be left to their own devises - these things only build up tension - well it does with me anyway.

Kevin Adamson · 11-10-2007, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ranter

We have never celebrated Halloween at my church nor any the naglican churches in my area to the best of my knowledge in my life time. the church has been arround a bit longer than me though.

Apologies rjt ,not being a church goer I failed to realise when I said the Christian church highjacked the Hallowe'en festival I should have said the Catholic church.

rjt · 11-10-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rjt

Apologies rjt ,not being a church goer I failed to realise when I said the Christian church highjacked the Hallowe'en festival I should have said the Catholic church.

No problem at all, as i have said we dont look to stop anyone but simply provide alternative celebrations and look to ensure some of the elderly in the Parish feel safe. it can be very intimidating for them and I know some have had eggs thrown at thier door and been sworn at for refusing to give in the past.

NickIrons · 12-10-2007, 06:01 AM

Indeed, if our kids can dress up an knock up
on peoples doors for some goodies once a
year in our communities in safety then that is
great, and a good reflection on our society
for whatever religion it may adhere to. Kids
going round intimidating the vunerable and
generally making a nuisance of themselves
is another thing, common sense and rational
thinking is the victim here.

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10-10-2007, 09:13 PM	#14 (permalink)
Kevin Adamson Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Surrey Posts: 888 Party: UKIP	[quote=rjt;431365]I certainly would not stop or seek to stop any such disco just I was pointing out how as a church we obviously dont encourage children to clelebrate pagan festivals so offer attractive alternatives.[/QUO The Pagan festival to which I think you refer was the night of the Samhain which was the end of the summer and begining of winter (a time of bad spirits)The Pagans would dance round the fire and generally have a good time to ward off the baddies.This celebration was highjacked by the christian church in 835 ad.The church called it All Hallows eve followed by All Hallows day/All saints day.Christians beliveing that goodwill and Jesus would conquer the bad spirits.The festival was collectivley known as Hallowe'en . So well done rjt after 1200 years of a mutual celebration you have decided to go it alone with your church . Mischief night (nov 4) is a more recent happening when the boys of the village would get up to all sorts to raise money for fireworks and has nothing whatsoever to do with hallowe'en. Somewhere along the road it has attatched itself to the Hallowe'en festival. So on October 31st I'll dance round the bonfire have a drop of the hard stuff and say my prayers.........goodnight and god bless

11-10-2007, 10:20 AM	#17 (permalink)
Gramboy2 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Baco Beyond Posts: 120	Yet more interference by self appointed busybodies. Why can't people be left to their own devises - these things only build up tension - well it does with me anyway.

12-10-2007, 06:01 AM	#20 (permalink)
NickIrons Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bienne, Switzerland Posts: 494	Indeed, if our kids can dress up an knock up on peoples doors for some goodies once a year in our communities in safety then that is great, and a good reflection on our society for whatever religion it may adhere to. Kids going round intimidating the vunerable and generally making a nuisance of themselves is another thing, common sense and rational thinking is the victim here.