Boycott of gay march may cost firefighters jobs

mkpdavies · 29-08-2006, 05:03 AM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/firefighte...860184,00.html

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Nine firefighters could be sacked for refusing to distribute fire safety leaflets at a gay pride march, their employer said yesterday. The male firefighters will be told the outcome of a disciplinary hearing into accusations that they refused to obey orders to hand out leaflets this week.
The officers could be sacked, demoted or receive a disciplinary warning for allegedly failing to carry out duties at a Pride Scotia gay parade in Glasgow in June, and disciplinary proceedings have been backed by the gay rights campaign group Stonewall.

I don't see how you can force people to work at these events. It does offend some people and after seeing one in Sydney myself, it was rather in your face, a bit like a gay porn parade. I thought it was funny myself, but I can understand why some wouldn't like it.

blondy · 29-08-2006, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by mkpdavies

http://www.guardian.co.uk/firefighters/story/0,,1860184,00.html

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Nine firefighters could be sacked for refusing to distribute fire safety leaflets at a gay pride march, their employer said yesterday. The male firefighters will be told the outcome of a disciplinary hearing into accusations that they refused to obey orders to hand out leaflets this week.
The officers could be sacked, demoted or receive a disciplinary warning for allegedly failing to carry out duties at a Pride Scotia gay parade in Glasgow in June, and disciplinary proceedings have been backed by the gay rights campaign group Stonewall.

I don't see how you can force people to work at these events. It does offend some people and after seeing one in Sydney myself, it was rather in your face, a bit like a gay porn parade. I thought it was funny myself, but I can understand why some wouldn't like it.

Homosexuality, like heterosexuality is not chosen. But failure to do one's job IS a choice these firemen made.

As long as they are citizens and the firemen are public servants they should have done their jobs.

mkpdavies · 29-08-2006, 01:14 PM

If I was going for a job in the fire service, the last thing I would have expected to be doing is handing out leaflets at a gay parade.

People are supposed to respect gay rights and beliefs (which is fair enough), but there is another side to the respect coin.

If the work being requested is not part of the norm and in this case mixing with semi-clad men, singing about sodomite (that's what they did in Austrailia anyway) etc, I believe goes against a large section of the publics beliefs. Not just the religious types either.

What is it to be? We all respect each others lifestyle choice or not?

John Carter · 29-08-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by blondy

Homosexuality, like heterosexuality is not chosen. But failure to do one's job IS a choice these firemen made.

Going on a gay pride parade is a chosen act. It's not something you're born with.

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Originally Posted by blondy

As long as they are citizens and the firemen are public servants they should have done their jobs.

Their job is putting out fires, not handing out leaflets. If they're there mixing it with the sodomites, how can they be available for emergency calls?

Mikeuk · 29-08-2006, 03:09 PM

These days you have members of all the armed services parading on these gay marches. Only 10 years ago they'd have been cashiered for doing it.

It's time the 'tolerance' pendulum swung back the other way. I'm not in favour of locking them up, but I just don't want to hear about them.

Likewise 90% of the rest of the population.

For once the Americans seem to have the right idea 'don't ask, don't tell' and I gather that the Gay Republicans are made none too welcome in the GOP.

Here the so-called Conservative Party has been taken over by an aggressive clique of homosexuals like Alan Duncan supported by a full cast of fag hags like Maude.

Another good reason for trashing the Tory scum.

kernow · 29-08-2006, 03:19 PM

[quote="mkpdavies"]If I was going for a job in the fire service, the last thing I would have expected to be doing is handing out leaflets at a gay parade.
If the work being requested is not part of the norm and in this case mixing with semi-clad men, singing about sodomite I believe goes against a large section of the publics beliefs. Not just the religious types either.
quote]

Those are my thoughts!

Mikeuk · 29-08-2006, 03:55 PM

Would anybody care to explain why behaviour which was, until quite recently, universally condemned, and even illegal, is now considered to be something that we should 'celebrate'?

I find this attitude on the part of the urban elite utterly and totally unintelligable.

John Carter · 29-08-2006, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeuk

Would anybody care to explain why behaviour which was, until quite recently, universally condemned, and even illegal, is now considered to be something that we must 'celebrate'?

Fixed.

mkpdavies · 29-08-2006, 05:16 PM

On a similar theme, I see that "homophobic bullying" is said to be on the increase in schools.

http://www.365gay.com/Newscon06/08/082806bully.htm

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London) A children's rights organization is accusing the British government of not doing enough to end homophobic bullying in schools. Despite a law requiring that all schools have an anti-bullying charter in place the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children says stronger measures are needed.

The NSPCC is the largest advocacy group for children in the UK and operates Childline a national hotline for children in trouble. In a report the NSPCC says that homophobic bullying accounted for 27 percent of all calls to the helpline in April.

I think the fact they have actually seperated out "homophobic bullying" from just bullying, has probably made the situation worse. The bottom line, is that gays will always be an minority (due to nature) and different = target for bullying at schools. When the school brings up the issue more and treats it differently to "the norm", the bullys will just be encouraged to do it more. Hence the reason we are seeing this increase in my opinion.

When will the morons learn that giveing undue focus to any one type of discrimination, will just make things worse? Afterall, shouldn't ALL bullyign be treated the same?

mkpdavies · 29-08-2006, 05:18 PM

And now it becomes even more worrying.

http://www.ukgaynews.org.uk/Archive/2006aug/2601.htm

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MANCHESTER, August 26 2006 – John Leech, Liberal Democrat Member of Parliament for Manchester Withington, will launch the ‘Stop Homophobic Bullying’ petition in the North West, this afternoon, (Saturday 26th August 2006) at 4.15pm at the Lib Dem Stall in the Lifestyle Expo area at Manchester LGBT Pride

What a bunch of plums the Lib Dems really are. How about a stop bullying petition full stop you bloody fool.

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29-08-2006, 03:09 PM	#5 (permalink)
Mikeuk Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fareham Posts: 5,758 Party: Conservatives	These days you have members of all the armed services parading on these gay marches. Only 10 years ago they'd have been cashiered for doing it. It's time the 'tolerance' pendulum swung back the other way. I'm not in favour of locking them up, but I just don't want to hear about them. Likewise 90% of the rest of the population. For once the Americans seem to have the right idea 'don't ask, don't tell' and I gather that the Gay Republicans are made none too welcome in the GOP. Here the so-called Conservative Party has been taken over by an aggressive clique of homosexuals like Alan Duncan supported by a full cast of fag hags like Maude. Another good reason for trashing the Tory scum.

29-08-2006, 03:19 PM	#6 (permalink)
kernow Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 5,182	[quote="mkpdavies"]If I was going for a job in the fire service, the last thing I would have expected to be doing is handing out leaflets at a gay parade. If the work being requested is not part of the norm and in this case mixing with semi-clad men, singing about sodomite I believe goes against a large section of the publics beliefs. Not just the religious types either. quote] Those are my thoughts!

29-08-2006, 03:55 PM	#7 (permalink)
Mikeuk Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Fareham Posts: 5,758 Party: Conservatives	Would anybody care to explain why behaviour which was, until quite recently, universally condemned, and even illegal, is now considered to be something that we should 'celebrate'? I find this attitude on the part of the urban elite utterly and totally unintelligable.