Hartlepool

Didn't Al Jolson" invent" the art of Blacking-up? 8)

Maaaamie,Maaaamie, i'd walk a million miles, for one of those smiles,my Maaaamie. :wink:

Mikeuk

It's very easy to knock down a silly comment like that made by Logan. Less easy to demolish the fact that most of these black inventions wouldn't rate a supplementary mention on a website of 'white inventors'.

Actually I doubt there is such a website. Why not? Because nobody doubts that the vast majority of significent technological discoveries were made by 'whites'

The most poverty-stricken and corrupt European country is likely to be a more agreeable place than the best-run sub-Saharan African nation. Certainly, there are certain African states such as Ghana where conditions are better than elsewhere, and why do you suppose that British colonial administrators long ago recommended that Ghana (then Gold Coast) should be the first black African colony to obtain independence?

The general state of Africa after decades of black rule stands as the greatest obstacle to those who believe (upon what grounds I know not) that races must be equal in intellectual ability.

Apart from the general principle of free speech, it is also the reason why the views of people like Dr Ellis should be listened to with respect.

Sadly it is also, subconsciously, one of the reasons why such views are inevitably greeted by hysteria.

It is called denial.

Independence Now!

Spot-on, Mike. The man is very intelligent and his arguments should be listened to and those who disagree with him should present their arguments against. This country is becoming like the Stalinist Soviet Union where all dissent against the prevailing orthodoxy was crushed. :twisted:

David Holland

I don't understand why you say sub-saharan ? Surely if blacks were less intelligent than whites, then it should be any African countries.
A lot of which, of course are better off than Alabania.
Wealth of a country depends on lots of things not just intelligence.

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mkpdavies

I still don't fully understand what the conclusion of this is supposed to mean anyway.

So what if certain sections of population are, on average, slightly less intelligent than others. So what then?

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Well what it doesn't mean is that individuals should be discriminated against on the basis of the average intellect of their race, as has certainly happened in the past. All people should be judged as individuals.

But it does mean (eg) that when certain people complain that the academic poor showing of certain racial groups must be down to 'prejudice' etc, the possibility - and we need put it no higher than that - that there may be genetic causes must be considered also.

Nor must people who take this view be victimised. Of course this victimisation is nothing new. I can remember the appalling treatment of the distinguished psychologist Hans Eysenck back in the 1970s.

As a Jew, Eysenck was hardly likely to favour Nazi master race theories, but this made no difference to those who demonstrated against him.

mkpdavies

Fair enough.

Scientific research certainly shouldn't be constrained by political correctness anyway. They don't seem to mind telling us how much better women are at multitasking than men for example, so why should this be any different?

I haven't read this particular blokes theories, but he shouldn't be jumped on just because he came to a conclusion others don't like. By all means argue against his opinion, but everyone has the right to put forward their ideas.

Then again, the ways things are going, no they don't. Sadly, the fact there are scumbags out there who do want to use it as an excuse to "purify" the nation, or treat other people like subhumans, means this whole PC culture has built up over time, to act as a defence mechanism.

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Besoeker

For those interested, there are a number of studies on racial differences in intelligence referred to in this link.

http://www.crusader.net/texts/bt/bt00.html

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Besoeker

denial.[/quote]
I don't understand why you say sub-saharan ? Surely if blacks were less intelligent than whites, then it should be any African countries.
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African and black are not synonymous.
Not sure that the inhabitants of Libya, for example, think of themselves as black.

David Holland

I don't understand why you say sub-saharan ? Surely if blacks were less intelligent than whites, then it should be any African countries.
[/quote]
African and black are not synonymous.
Not sure that the inhabitants of Libya, for example, think of themselves as black.[/quote]
True but there are black countries that are better of than some white ones.

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