welshbrit

No I did not say I agreed with a totalitarian police state why do you think i did? I chose china as an example because I have lived there and have seen it.

The point I was making was that if there are no unpleasant consequences resulting from mindless or thoughtless behavour lessons will not be learned.

Fighting in the streets because one is drunk and out of control in china can have serious consequences such as weeks in prison, a dangerous beating, loss of employment with no dole check and no claims for mistreatment either, Its just NOT WORTH THE TROUBLE.

It has been said that sending young offenders to prison introduces them to hardened criminals and all the tricks of the trade so to speak. If that is true why should it?

It has also been said that we have a drug problem in british prisons, How can that be? how do they get them?

Prisons should be harsh environments with no frills and bare basics.

"Stand by your beds" wash,shave,(supervised) 15 minutes breakfast, no talking, work(supervised) no trustees, no favorites, cells searched randomly no personal items no comforts, bed ok warm blanket ok, water supply and toilet ok.

Wash own clothes, Iron shirts,clean boots, no tv, no radio, no outside contact. Newpaper for good behavour books allowed for good behavour one hour reading, lights out.

No meaningful contact with other prisoners, no chance to form a community of criminals. no chance to influence crime outside. appeals against sentances allowed media involvment not allowed. Hard work, basic food no junk, regular health checks.

no alcahol no drugs no cigaretts, you will leave healthier. no gym just physical work regular normal exersise not power building. misbehave? locked up in isolation cell with short period of solitary exersise. doesn't have to be long, overall sentence doesn't have to be long.

one would be cut off from normal life and live in a world of hard work and contemplation, no criminal fraternity to feed off no bragging about stuff one did no planning no bullying no black market just you and the time you have to serve.

How sweet freedom would be then? Would it be worth risking a return or would going straight be a more appealling option. rehab kicks in for reformed characters at that point, a helping hand for those who will take responsibility for their actions and live within the law.

So how about it chaps? am I being extreme?

Bit like military service without the killing or 48 hour pass in fact.

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Logan

we havn't been out in the "Town" for over 20 Years now as it's just too dangerous with a nightly stabbing or two!, we just stay in as a matter of fact it's almost getting too dangerous to go to work nowadays!
about 10 PM is no go nowadays with all the knife weilding asylum seekers around noadays! (it's normal for them)

kernow

welshbrit

8) Thank you Kernow! you are right, the human rights mob would froth at the mouth at my solutions and they make me wonder how many times one has to be slapped across the face before one puts up a hand to stop it.

Buddhist monks many years ago would live by the teachings of siddartha Guatam (i know i've misspelt that) based on peace, compassion and wisdom through experience - But.. buddhist inspired fighting arts are some of the most skillful and effective one will find anywhere.

And why would people who value peace, life and compassion practice body crunching martial techniques? -

well because no matter how much one might turn the other cheek and regardless of how well one tries to reason with the unreasonable - the absolute bottom line here is that at some point one is going to be forced to defend oneself, ones family and the means to support them, including food and shelter from those who would kill rape and pillage without concience.

I have always believed also that even the most timid soul would put up a desperate determined defence faced with the possible destruction of loved ones.

One who fights because of drunkeness or prefabricated injustices is no match for the backed-against-the-wall believer.

And people who have no real cause to fight or damage property or steal other than because they can would think twice if the consequences were going to be harsh, unpleasant, painful or even fatal.

I wish the bleeding-heart-do-goody-pc meddling,blinkered human rights pontificators could see it.

By the way I apologise if my responses are sometimes slow.. I'm just a two finger typist here..

kernow