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Old 05-01-2006, 04:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I noticed the headline on The Times yesterday evening to the effect that people writing to ask quoting FoI are about to be charged for the privilege - the impression I got was that this is mainly to deter people from unnecessarily digging out embarrassing facts from local government offices. (Such as who got how much of a bung for their seat on the RA, or how much your Council really pays? :shock: )

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This is one of the problems the Government faces, although it is possible for skilled and obstructive public employees to block things for months.

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Undelete those deleted emails, FOIA ruling tells Government
By John Lettice

Published Thursday 22nd December 2005 11:38 GMT

'Deleted' Government records needn't necessarily be treated as deleted after all, according to a ruling by the Information Tribunal, which deals with appeals against rulings under the Freedom of Information Act. But don't get too excited - although in theory this means that data that can be undeleted, restored from backups or reconstructed by specialists can still be supplied in response to FOIA requests, in practice the whole show will still collapse when it encounters the haphazard shambles that UK Government backup regimes amount to.

Information Tribunal chairman John Angel indulges in a substantial philosophical digression on the nature of deleted in this recent adjudication, (http://www.informationtribunal.gov.u...mmissioner.pdf) which involved a request to the Royal Mail for personnel data which had been 'deleted'. The Tribunal's conclusion in this case was that the data really had been deleted anyway (so it couldn't be handed over, anyway), but the ruling also tries to nail down the extent to which deleted data can still be counted as "held".



First, the good news: "The Tribunal understands that information which is held electronically and then deleted (and even emptied later from a 'recycle bin' or 'trash can') is still in fact retained in its original form on the computer system until it is subsequently and actually overwritten by other information." In view of this "it may be incumbent on a Public Authority to make attempts to retrieve deleted information. Accordingly the authority should establish whether information is completely eliminated, or merely deleted."

The Tribunal's setting down of this obligation is certainly progress, because it means that authorities subject to FOIA requests can't simply say that, as the data no longer exists on a live system, it doesn't exist, full stop. The Tribunal doesn't philosophise on the extent to which backups are archive data or deleted data (bit of both, depends, right?) but here it doesn't really need to, because for the purposes of the Act it's effectively deeming all backup data as archived until it is completely deleted.

This overturns guidance from both the Information Commissioner and the Department of Constitutional Affairs. The Commissioner has regarded information on backups as not being "held by a public authority for the purposes of FOI", and that "information sent to the back-up server is no longer readily retrievable for business purposes" (ah, but see below...). The DCA, meanwhile, humorously tells us "where it is the intention that data should be permanently deleted, and this is not achieved only because the technology will not permit it, authorities may regard such data as having been permanently deleted."

But you'll have noted the Tribunal said "it may be incumbent..." That "may" is the catch. "If information has been deleted but can be recovered by various technical means, is that information still held by the public authority? The Tribunal finds that the answer to this question will be a matter of fact and degree depending on the circumstances of the individual case... Simple restoration from a 'trash can' or 'recycle bin' folder, or from a back-up tape, should normally be attempted, as the Tribunal considers that such information continues to be held." But beyond that, attempted restoration involving "the use of specialist staff time" would be subject to the cost exemptions in the Act. A local authority can refuse a request if the retrieval cost would be more than £450, while for a Government department the limit is £600.

So if it costs more than a few hundred pounds to undelete the data, you can be legally told to push off anyway. When it talks airily of restoring backups, one suspects that the Tribunal is not entirely in tune with the real world here. Even in a well run network restoration will often be a non-trivial task involving specialist staff (which, actually, it should be), and it seems perfectly feasible that an authority could successfully argue that simple restoration from a backup tape might in some cases exceed the cost limit. The Tribunal also suggests that "the Restore facility in Windows will restore the system to the way it existed on a previous date chosen by the operator" - we presume they've never been foolish enough to try this.

We should note an unpleasant little truth that springs from the Tribunal's conclusions. If there are no coherent groundrules or minimum standards governing public authority retention and archive policies (there aren't), then the worse the IT system is at dealing with retention, archive and backup, the less likely it is to have to respond positively to FOIA requests. There's a pay-off for bad IT strategy; 'I've deleted it' or 'It might be in there somewhere but it'll cost thousands to retrieve it' are deemed valid excuses, rather offences punishable by large fines, so that's all right then, and no, you can't have the information. ®

Related stories
Freedom of Information Act 'making a difference' to UK (15 July 2005)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07..._a_difference/
210 reasons to refuse a Freedom of Information request (27 June 2005)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06...foia_refusals/
Mayor Ken boasts of pre-FOIA 'juicy bit' shredfest (21 March 2005)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03...shredder_week/
Destroy your old emails for Xmas, UK gov tells civil servants (20 December 2004)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12..._email_policy/


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This is one of the problems the Government faces, although it is possible for skilled and obstructive public employees to block things for months.
Not that I don't trust this government, but I suspect that is one of the problems they encourage, rather than face...

They have too much to hide or keep buried
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Not that I don't trust this government, but I suspect that is one of the problems they encourage, rather than face...

They have too much to hide or keep buried
Actually, it's a case of the lowly civil servants who have to deal with FOI requests not knowing what they're doing with them. None of the requests are dealt with by anyone in any kind of authority!
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