Thread: Halal Pork

Originally Posted by longbow64

If I opened an abattoirs and obtained a Quran, could I market Halal pork if I blessed the pig before it was slaughtered, and would my Halal meat that I sold in my British curry house be legal.

I say this because my local Indian menu says, Chicken, Lamb, Prawn and 'Meat', they won't say what meat, therefore would my 'Halal' meat be legal and nice and tasty for people to enjoy.

The answer to your question is no. Pork is forbidden in Islam. You don't have to be a Muslim to serve halal meat (the Qur'an, hadiths etc. do not stipulate this, in fact they expressly say that non Muslims can prepare and serve it, if they adhere to the rules). However, the reality is that non Muslims are never allowed to prepare/serve halal in a Muslim outlet. Yes, if you've got a Subway/KFC run by British people serving halal meat in a Muslim area, then that happens, but if it is a Muslim business, like a curry house then certainly no, Muslims only.

The 'meat' that is not named, is beef. Because curry comes from the Indian Sub-Continent, where the majority of people are Hindus/Sikhs, that even though Islam doesn't forbid beef, the cow still has a sort of sacred position. Which means whilst Muslim don't ban beef, they're not really eaters of the meat themselves. Hence the term 'meat' rather than beef.

Incidentally, the original reason for banning pork under Islam was quite a sensible one. Pigs are foragers and will eat literally anything. In the time of Mohammed, it was quite common to let pigs feast on human excrement and other undesirable food stuffs. This meant that if the pig meat was not cooked to a very high standard, there was good chance of catching something very nasty, as the meat contained dangerous micro-organisms.

In the time of Mohammed, it was quite common to let pigs feast on human excrement and other undesirable food stuffs.

It still is in the rural third world.

I recall as a kid the leftovers of our school dinners were turned into pig swill, now that was an 'undesirable food stuff'.

Originally Posted by Road_Hog

The answer to your question is no. Pork is forbidden in Islam. You don't have to be a Muslim to serve halal meat (the Qur'an, hadiths etc. do not stipulate this, in fact they expressly say that non Muslims can prepare and serve it, if they adhere to the rules). However, the reality is that non Muslims are never allowed to prepare/serve halal in a Muslim outlet. Yes, if you've got a Subway/KFC run by British people serving halal meat in a Muslim area, then that happens, but if it is a Muslim business, like a curry house then certainly no, Muslims only.

The 'meat' that is not named, is beef. Because curry comes from the Indian Sub-Continent, where the majority of people are Hindus/Sikhs, that even though Islam doesn't forbid beef, the cow still has a sort of sacred position. Which means whilst Muslim don't ban beef, they're not really eaters of the meat themselves. Hence the term 'meat' rather than beef.

Incidentally, the original reason for banning pork under Islam was quite a sensible one. Pigs are foragers and will eat literally anything. In the time of Mohammed, it was quite common to let pigs feast on human excrement and other undesirable food stuffs. This meant that if the pig meat was not cooked to a very high standard, there was good chance of catching something very nasty, as the meat contained dangerous micro-organisms.

I've always understood that the reason pork is banned to Jews,(which it was long before Mohammed said to Ayisha "Daddy's got your new dolly under his gown.Feel and stroke it." on the way back from the wedding.) was because in warm climates pork deteriorates very quickly.

There used to be saying in this country before fridges became common that "You should only ever eat pork when there is an "R" in the month. (The months with an R in them being cooler than the other months and hence meat will last longer.) for the same reason.

There were many such laws given to the Jews, (allegedly by God.) for hygiene and health reasons,such as not eating an animal which was found dead.

Originally Posted by longbow64

If I opened an abattoirs and obtained a Quran, could I market Halal pork if I blessed the pig before it was slaughtered, and would my Halal meat that I sold in my British curry house be legal.

I say this because my local Indian menu says, Chicken, Lamb, Prawn and 'Meat', they won't say what meat, therefore would my 'Halal' meat be legal and nice and tasty for people to enjoy.

The "meat " could be anything from next door's missing cat to a few minced up mice they caught in the kitchen. (That's put everyone off their curry tonight.)

When I was nobbut a lad I was advised to always have prawns in an Indian restaurant (Especially one you've never used before.) because they can't make any other meat look like a prawn.

Originally Posted by longbow64

Could I feed my Halal pork to unsuspecting Christians, Jews and Muslims in the same way we are surreptitiously fed real Halal meat.

Yes, although are multiculti thought police might try to charge you under the Religious Hatred Act 2006.

Originally Posted by Francis Overdere

I've always understood that the reason pork is banned to Jews,(which it was long before Mohammed said to Ayisha "Daddy's got your new dolly under his gown.Feel and stroke it." on the way back from the wedding.) was because in warm climates pork deteriorates very quickly.

Probably a combination of that as well. But I think it was down mainly to the pig diet of excrement and other nasty stuff that carried a number of harmful germs and other nasties. Pork then needed to be cooked very, very well and in those days they didn't have the facilities to do it.

Islam has a list of things that it considers, unclean/impure/filthy and pigs is one of them. Interestingly, we are also considered najis.

Non-Muslim is Najis (impure, filthy,..) | FaithFreedom.org

You can see the full list here. There are only 10, so we're in an elite group.

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