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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis Overdere View Post
    Some people have a queer idea of what constitutes homophobic abuse.
    Indeed. This is just another example of political correctness and thought crime creeping in by the back door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patman Post View Post
    Indeed. This is just another example of political correctness and thought crime creeping in by the back door.
    No one ever crept in our back door,it's always locked. And my Grandad used to keep his bike in his back passage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis Overdere View Post
    No one ever crept in our back door,it's always locked. And my Grandad used to keep his bike in his back passage.
    That reminds me of an old anecdote. Whilst helping out on the motorbike stand at the NEC, a gentleman came on the stand and started talking to one of my colleagues nearby. He then came out with the following statement, "Can you tell me how wide it is, because width is very important to me, as I have a very narrow back passage".

    Hands went over mouths from staff trying not to laugh.

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    Don't you just get sick and tired of hearing bo11ocks about minority groups, I have black, brown, yellow, white, gay, bisexual, trans gender,multiple religions, even football fans and golfers as friends, in conversation I call them as I see fit for the moment if we are speaking in a large group say a birthday party or similar the conversation is often littered with words I can not put on here, P__F,Q___R, P__I, I am sure you all get the idea, no one is offended or upset and always give back as much as they get and everyone has a good laugh, and this is most important, we are all damn good friends.
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    I agree paralreg though I worked in the engineering trade and when I left it I realised not every where else is the same. This idea that it is worse to insult e.g. black or gay people than any one else actually increases division - people will be afraid to socialise with members of these groups in case you get carried away with a bit of banter and say something non-pc. None of these people such as Lee Steele or Suarez get officially accused of being homophobic or racist, only that they have used homophobic or racist remarks. It is no longer just the person you are talking to that needs to be offended to get you in trouble, it could be someone listening in who is not even part of the conversation. Ridiculous times...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Road_Hog View Post

    This is the guy who had to be restrained from entering the spectator area to attack an opposing fan.

    BBC SPORT | Rugby Union | Wales rule out Thomas ban appeal

    Can you guess what the fans might have been shouting?
    This occurred in 2007, and Thomas didn't 'come out' until 2009, so I would doubt if the fans' abuse was homophobic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ron View Post
    I agree paralreg though I worked in the engineering trade and when I left it I realised not every where else is the same. This idea that it is worse to insult e.g. black or gay people than any one else actually increases division - people will be afraid to socialise with members of these groups in case you get carried away with a bit of banter and say something non-pc. None of these people such as Lee Steele or Suarez get officially accused of being homophobic or racist, only that they have used homophobic or racist remarks. It is no longer just the person you are talking to that needs to be offended to get you in trouble, it could be someone listening in who is not even part of the conversation. Ridiculous times...
    You are absolutely right it is as if our language and even our right to speak as we wish is being sanitised, I agree to belittle or degrade some one by this fashion is wrong but it should be equally wrong for all, many of the people I have the privilege to call friends often speak up for each other in this instance, even after they have done it in fun to each other. I have West Indian friends who often use the word n****r as a greeting as in "Hey, N****r hows it/ you going", others will call themselves **** "cos I am", is the usual reply if anythings said, this use of "derogatory" language is simply covert prestige, where the offending word is turned on its meaning and becomes a term of respect, but the whining ones are too poorly equipped with such friends to realise this.

    Even this miss guided authoritarian forum P blanks A out K words I used for literary description, how do we know a word is wrong in certain contexts if the "powers that be" pretend it just does not exist, you can't un-invent words but you can modify their meanings as happened with GAY, or the use of them as marks of respect as with covert prestige is certainly the best way.
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    Lightbulb GAY PRIDE v THE BRITDEMS

    Perhaps we all need to take another look at the facts.



    Do not engage in so-called "homosexual" anti-sexual acts, and do not, in any way, encourage others to do so. Do not speak and/or act as if such acts should be regarded as trivial, comical, or harmless.


    Reason(s)/Explanation(s):
    So-called "homosexuality" is anti-sexual.

    "Anti-sexual intercourse" is incorrect. To attempt to engage in what is oftimes called "love-making" by using the "sex organs" to penetrate the bodies of persons of the same sex is incorrect.

    Such acts are incorrect in the same way that using the "sex organs" of a person to penetrate the body of a cat, dog, or deer, is incorrect. Such acts are incorrect in the same way that using the "sex organs" of a person to penetrate the body of the sister, brother, or mother of that person is incorrect. Such acts are incorrect in the same way that using the "sex organs" of a person to penetrate the body of a deceased person is incorrect.
    "Anti-sexual intercourse" is not an expression of "love". This so-called "homosexual" act, is none other than an expression of acute insanity resulting from some form of acute imbalance of the mind and/or body.
    In racial matters, it is the White Supremacists (Racists) who are the greatest promoters of anti-sexual intercourse among non-white people. They promote this behavior by direct participation as well as by direct and indirect example or influence.




    Many non-white males function as so-called "homo-sexuals" [anti-sexuals] in an attempt to compensate for their fear of the Racist Man and Racist Woman. Many non-white males fear having to pretend "manhood" when confronted with the possibility of opposing Racist Man or Racist Woman for some reason or another. They sense a danger in even acting like "men", when in the presence of white men or white women who may be Racists. They therefore choose to escape the "test" of "manhood" in it's popular socio¬material sense, and, instead, present themselves before white people as "mannish boys" or as imitation females. These non-white males believe that by appearing before the awesome White Nation as "females", the White Supremacists will consider them to be more of an amusement than a potential threat.




    In a socio-material system dominated by White Supremacists, the supreme and only functional test of so-called "manhood" for a non-white male is the manner in which the non-white male conducts himself in his relationships to the White Supremacist Man (Racist Man). By speaking and/or acting as "entertainers", or as some form of sexually weak or sexually confused servant, many non¬white males seek to make themselves exempt from the direct hostility of Racist Man. Many other non-white males attempt to avoid this hostility by pretending to be female. By pretending to be female, they then proceed to act as if their reason for existence is to participate in a series of trivial fads, fashions, fun, and "girlie" games, and that there is no need to be concerned about questions of non-white "man-hood" as it relates to White Supremacy and the promotion of justice or injustice.




    As long as White Supremacy (Racism) exists, do not criticize, or complain about, anything, that any person does in sexual matters, if you, yourself, are engaging in any act of sexual, or so-called "homosexual", intercourse with any white person.


    Reason(s)/Explanation(s):
    Sexual intercourse, "sexual play", and/or so-called "homosexual" [anti-sexual] intercourse, between any white person, and any non-white person, under conditions dominated by White Supremacy (Racism), has a worst effect on the promotion of justice, than any other form of people activity.



    As long as White Supremacy exists, all such activity between white persons and non-white persons is worse than acts of sexual intercourse between a person and a sheep, between father and daughter, between mother and son, between sister and brother, etc.



    Because sexual activity has such a strong influence on the way that people think and act in all other areas of activity, any sexual activity, and/or any attempted sexual activity [as aforementioned], between white persons and non-white persons, under conditions dominated by Racism, has the effect of doing more to help maintain Racism, than all other acts combined.



    Such activity is also the most powerful means of maintaining and refining injustice of all kinds among the people of the known universe.



    Therefore, if a person does not express disapproval of sexual intercourse, of "sexual play", and/or of so-called "homosexual" intercourse, between white persons and non-white persons [under conditions dominated by White Supremacy], that person is not justified in expressing disapproval of anything, that anybody does, that directly, or indirectly, pertains to sex."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plutonium View Post
    This occurred in 2007, and Thomas didn't 'come out' until 2009, so I would doubt if the fans' abuse was homophobic.
    Like I said earlier, it was well known in Wales that he was gay from the early part of the last decade. Which meant it was also mentioned on rugby forums. He came out publicly in 2009, some might say that he did it because he'd recently released an autobiography book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Road_Hog View Post
    Like I said earlier, it was well known in Wales that he was gay from the early part of the last decade. Which meant it was also mentioned on rugby forums. He came out publicly in 2009, some might say that he did it because he'd recently released an autobiography book.
    Okay, noted.

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