Thread: Nigel Farage's Night of the Long Knives

Originally Posted by Gregory Lauder-Frost

I don't believe it. Why would he want to expel Roger Knapman, a thoroughly decent person if there ever was one.

I suspect this is a scurrilous anti-UKIP operation to attract bad publicity.

Decent but flawed. Hardly a Tory success losing them the fairly safe seat of Stroud. Then as UKIP leader he employed Poles to do some plastering, housing them in his attic I believe, saying there were no local tradesmen available. Didn't confront the corruption at the heart of UKIP - sacking Tom Wise would have been a start. Even now he may have fallen out with Nigel but appears to be putting Party before all else. If he really was decent he would expose the corruption that is making UKIP unelectable. IMO it is his duty to do so.

Originally Posted by T.N.Warry

Decent but flawed. Hardly a Tory success losing them the fairly safe seat of Stroud. Then as UKIP leader he employed Poles to do some plastering, housing them in his attic I believe, saying there were no local tradesmen available. Didn't confront the corruption at the heart of UKIP - sacking Tom Wise would have been a start. Even now he may have fallen out with Nigel but appears to be putting Party before all else. If he really was decent he would expose the corruption that is making UKIP unelectable. IMO it is his duty to do so.

Come on. Stroud was part of the Conservative Party wipe-out and nothing to do with him personally. How do you know that he has a full dossier of the corruption? I understand that he has not been well of late.

Originally Posted by Gregory Lauder-Frost

I understand that he has not been well of late.

The only time I've seen that was last year when Farage said "Roger is suffering from high blood pressure and is not well" after Knapman had the temerity to accuse Farage of "selling out" for signing the Ind Dem Group Bucharest Declaration supporting subsidiarity and for breaking an MEPs agreement not to employ wives.

As responses go, it was cheap and tawdry stuff. Someone criticises you, so question their mental state. Nice. Alastair Campbell did the same to Gordon Brown a few years back - "psychological flaws" or something, he said. Whatever one thinks of Brown, it was a cowardly tactic, as it was when Farage played it. It always is.

I hear Farage has been going round playing the same trick on John Whittaker since the latter resigned as Chairman, saying he has had a nervous breakdown when clearly, from his appearance at the party conference, he hasn't.

Classy piece of work, our Nigel.

Originally Posted by junius

At the Birmingham meeting Nigel said he wanted to change the rules in order to expel members more quickly. He wants a letter sent out to members asking them to approve the proposed changes. Those on his hit list include:

Gawd, you UKIP types are so gullible. Even if Farage wanted to get rid of all the people on that list, which I very seriously doubt, then he'd hardly announce the fact, would he? Yet you take this junius character semi-seriously for three pages of postings! Can't you see he's winding you up?

Originally Posted by Tom Wilde

Gawd, you UKIP types are so gullible. Even if Farage wanted to get rid of all the people on that list, which I very seriously doubt, then he'd hardly announce the fact, would he? Yet you take this junius character semi-seriously for three pages of postings! Can't you see he's winding you up?

You may be right Tom, but if the article below is correct it seems that NF may well be planning to take the Party in quite a different direction to get Ganley's cash [Ganley does not want Ireland to leave the EU - he wants to reform it] - if this is the case those on the list are likely to be those who would try hardest and have most influence in preventing this happening.


"After our cover picture of Declan Ganley, the Anglo-Irish millionaire who financed Ireland's no to the Lisbon Treaty campaign, was taken the leader of the United Kingdom Independence Party echoed his words and told supporters they must be more positive on Europe. Nigel Farage was at the featured meeting with Mr Ganley in the European Parliament, as were a range of eurosceptics including the meeting's organiser the Conservative MEP and journalist Danial Hannan (pictured right) and the Austrian journalist MEP Hans Peter Martin (pictured left). The BBC later quoted Mr Farage as saying to his annual conference in Bournmouth: 'I think we have got to change some of the things that we have been saying and some of the things that we have heen doing." A former Conservative Mr Farage added: "We have not been offering good positive alternatives and what I want us to do is to paint a vision of a 21st Century relationship between Britain and our European neighhours."

Danial Hannan, a writer and executive editor of the right wing Daily Telegraph told us that he organized the parliament's Ganley meeting under the loose eurosceptic SOS Democracy movement. "It was an open meeting and anyone was welcome," he said. He would not he drawn on rumours circulating that Nigel Farage is preparing to move with some of his colleagues to the Conservative camp. Mr Hannan is frequently seen dining with Mr Farage and after lunching at the Porto Fino restaurant last week they were seen returning to the parliament in deep conversation. Mr Hannan has heen writing positive things in his Telegraph blog that can he explained as journalistic objectivity or differently interpreted as politically significant.

He wrote on August 24: "The UK Independence Party has had a makeover. Go to their website and you will find a fetching new logo involving butterflies. Their point is to emphasise independence as a theme: not just the independence of the state, hut also the independence of the citizen from the state.

"It's potentially a very powerful combination. A similar formula was adopted by my favourite political party in the world, the Independence Party of Iceland ... which has enjoyed 60 years of more-or-less uninterrupted power." That he wrote the blog just days after Mr Farage visited Iceland to meet political leaders is curious unless of course the idea for the blog was generated at another lunch hetween the two friends.

When we spoke to Mr Hannan he said that UKIP has heen having problems and that the party has just heen through a "hitter and divisive" selection process. But he was adamant that: "I have absolutely no indication that Nigel is ahout to move out of the UKIP leadership. So far as I am aware he will he standing against me in the South East of England."

UKIP has been locked in legal disputes and these have hegun to spill over to involve other eurosceptics, some of them in the Tory camp. Looked at objectively Mr Farage and his colleagues have heen suffering increasing, and apparently politically motivated, attention from OLAF, the EU anti-fraud office and from anonymous complaints to UK police about expenses and allowances. No charges have yet been brought. Since when did OLAF accept anonymos complaints?

That EU institutions should be, apparently, engaged in persecuting elected representatives that the institutions have no reason to like in such a way is questionable to say the least. More significantly Conservative MEPs who publicly favour keeping their party in the existing centre right EPP-ED grouping have been on the receiving end of similar accusations. UKIP may have undermined its moral high ground in this respect by planting media stories. We have copies of an email from one UKIP candidate. Right wing Conservative sceptics are also in the frame for feeding stories to the right wing euro-sceptic media in London. So far none of the accused have been brought to account by the parliament authorities for breach of the accounting rules let alone misuse of funds. Currently some half of all MEPs is under investigation pointing to a poor parliamentary administration system rather than fraud.

Meanwhile European Commission officials and others have been adamantly stating that "American neo-con money" is being used to fund eurosceptic movements. Declan Ganley denied receiving American funds. According to Labour MEP Richard Corbett writing in his own blog: "He refused to answer questions as to where his "Libertas" No campaign obtained its massive financial resources." Mr Hannan would not be drawn on progress in forming a new right wing alli¬ance beyond saying: "Our [eurosceptic] intention and that of David Cameron to leave the EPP is well known. We have accords with Czech and Polish parties but first we have to see the outcome of the European election next year. We are in a position to form the third largest group in the European Parliament.

So it's all just an amazing coincidence then?"

http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/ukip...-reporter.html

Originally Posted by Tom Wilde

Gawd, you UKIP types are so gullible. Even if Farage wanted to get rid of all the people on that list, which I very seriously doubt, then he'd hardly announce the fact, would he? Yet you take this junius character semi-seriously for three pages of postings! Can't you see he's winding you up?

Junius is obviously winding up the Liberals too - hence your post.

Originally Posted by Gregory Lauder-Frost

I understand that he has not been well of late.

I have heard that on occasional days, he has a bad reaction to his blood-pressure medication, but don't know any more...

Originally Posted by SponPlague

I have heard that on occasional days, he has a bad reaction to his blood-pressure medication, but don't know any more...

The blood would boil of anyone only half decent the way UKIP is going

Gerard Batten and London UKIP must be doing something right as they have detached the whole of Harrow Road Ward of the Conservative Party.

UKIP Press Release.

"Tories move to UKIP

The Harrow Road ward of the Conservative Party has moved en masse to UKIP. Aware that the European Union is the paramount political issue of our time, it creating as it does 80% of our laws, the new Westminster North constituency association of UKIP realised that they simply couldn't stay in a party that wasn't going to do anything about it.

Jasna Badzak was the Chairman of the ward association, Susan Jacobs the political vice/chairman, Drgomir Mikulic the membership secretary and Luli Beqiri the secretary. They are adopting the same role in their new, and natural, political home, UKIP.

Ms Badzak, having had to flee her home in the former Yugoslavia, feels that she owes the UK a debt of gratitude for giving her the chance of a new life. She has become increasingly disappointed with the Conservatives and feels that they are out of touch and are not offering any policies which can deal with the current crisis facing Britain. Thus the move to UKIP."
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