Thread: Just how really successful has UKIP been?

Occassionally I get a rush of blood to the head and feel that the subject matter or in this case 'Question' deserves a new thread.

My proposition is that UKIP as EUKIP is now sadly a complete irrelevance only having some 19 elected officials out of a possible 19,500 in 18 years.

However even if we ignore the above statisic surely the real evidence of EUKIP's non-achievment is that if and IN or OUT Referendum was held tomorrow most informed Eurosceptics believe that there is no guarentee the OUTs would win.

EUKIP has not only failed to get the needed representation at Westminster in 18 years (not even getting close and losing the one Conservative MP, Bob Spink, who did rebadge to UKIP) they have also failed in, perhaps what is a far more important goal of, educating the British public that we would overwhelmingly be 'BETTER OFF OUT'.

Yes sadly history will record Nigel's EUKIP was next to irrelevant in gettting the UK out of the EU.

Originally Posted by stathan

And just really how successful has 230 votes Niall Warry been in achieving anything in this field either?

Apart from being a crushingly repetitive bore who has achieved nothing yourself you're obviously too thick to realise the fact that as someone who was quite happy to take a wage off UKIP until relieved of duties it totally compromises any criticisms that you make have however valid they may or may not be.


Here's a little tip for free.

Get a life, relax in the knowledge that you're a total failure who criticises others having failed yourself in the same field and enjoy yourself by not being consumed with so much hate that it's cleary burning you up and destroying your life.

Alternatively set up another party and stand for election showing UKIP where they're going wrong......Oh! I forgot you already did....serial failure 230 votes Warry shows UKIP how to do it!

You didn't leave UKIPs employ due to a sense of principle you continued to take a wage until they dumped you......You hypocrite!

Quite a lot of vitriol there stathan I guess I've touched a nerve or two!

Of course this thread has NOTHING to do with me but is about how useful to the Eurosceptic movement EUKIP has been?

As to your repeated nonsense about my working as UKIP'sOffice Manager in Birmingham I was recruited to do a job but it turned out they didn't want to be professionalised and so ended my contract. That was UKIPs loss at the end of the day and then they went on to recruit people like you- nuff said!!

Originally Posted by ron

Farage should be judged by his public perception which is not too bad. UKIP does need some substance and variety to add to Farage's bluster though but I don't see the benefit of creating a new party and slagging them off from the sidelines.

If a 'PRODUCT' is faulty the public have a right to know and be warned that what it 'says on the tin' is not true and that the goods are faulty.

Do please explain why a political party should be treated any differently?

Originally Posted by ron

Are you saying that UKIP do not want to get out of the EU?



Why explain an argument I have not made? I said I did not see the point of creating a new party and slagging them off from the sidelines. All parties and organisations have difficulties, there are usually better ways to solve problems than just to shout about them to anyone who will listen. For some parties they are beyond saving, e.g the English Democrats, UKIP do not seem to be one of them, unless you can explain otherwise.

1. I'm sure the ukip members want to leave the EU but as to whether the EUKIP MEPs really WANT to is a debatable point IMO.

2. I agree new parties are now pretty pointless without huge financial backing so the ILTEUA's days are drawing to a close. Of course all parties have difficulties but EUKIP has far more than most and as to exposing the corruption at the heart of the EU they need to get their own house in order first.

3. UKIP, as the Eurosceptic brand leader, could still just have a future if Nigel and his band of sycophants left. However that is now so unlikely that those hoping UKIP might be the salvation of these United Kingdoms need to face the facts that EUKIP under Nigel is NO part of the solution.

Originally Posted by Niall Warry

However even if we ignore the above statisic surely the real evidence of EUKIP's non-achievment is that if and IN or OUT Referendum was held tomorrow most informed Eurosceptics believe that there is no guarentee the OUTs would win.

EUKIP has not only failed to get the needed representation at Westminster in 18 years (not even getting close and losing the one Conservative MP, Bob Spink, who did rebadge to UKIP)

I cannot disagree with your words. I am a UKIP voter, so I can't be classed as an 'anti'. But I fail to see anything that Farage has achieved. He loves the sound of his own voice in the EU, but what has he achieved? If we're ever going to get out of the EU, we need representation in Westminster. What is he doing about that? Nothing as far as I can see, he seems happy taking his attendance allowance at the EU.