Thread: What should our Exit and Survival Strategy be from the EU?

Originally Posted by Chip

I can not see why. If we are serious then just do it. Who cares what the Commies in the EU think?

Well you are right that we can just technically leave as you can technically knock your house down but I'm sure you can see that these things are better planned for or you would have nowhere to live until your house was rebuilt!

The only thing I believe we could take back control of in the first instant is control of our borders but most other things would need between 1 to 10 years to completely sort out.

I share your lack of concern for what the 'Commies' think but if only it was that simple Chip old or young bean!

Originally Posted by Chip

I believe that it is that simple. Its very old bean.

R U an OLD Chip off the OLD Block!!

Originally Posted by Niall Warry

Well you are right that we can just technically leave as you can technically knock your house down but I'm sure you can see that these things are better planned for or you would have nowhere to live until your house was rebuilt!

The only thing I believe we could take back control of in the first instant is control of our borders but most other things would need between 1 to 10 years to completely sort out.

I share your lack of concern for what the 'Commies' think but if only it was that simple Chip old or young bean!

I agree completely, Niall. As appealing and blood-stirring as immediate secession from the Evil Empire sounds - and I fully understand where Chip is coming from! - it's neither desirable nor practical. A few weeks ago on the PM programme on Radio 4, in the heat of the euro crisis, they had Ian Milne up against some Europhile twit, discussing the hypothetical departure of our beautiful United Kingdom from the malign and corrupt EU. Ian Milne said it would take 2 years, and his opponent agreed! I wonder if the discussion was timed (they didn't mention it) with Ian's latest leaflet? Possible.

We have all sorts of systems entwined with the countries of Europe - we couldn't just leave tomorrow. And it definitely requires deep thinking, not just as to how to campaign and get the public "on board" and vote "our" way (a Herculean task in itself), but what to do afterwards. But something Chip says troubles me....

Originally Posted by Chip

...France will cry a lot until they notice that we are not buying their wine or cars at which point they will be over here in their droves begging us to purchase their white flags and their discounted and subsidised products.

At what point have UKIP decided that our leaving the EU also implies a trade embargo? This is something I've tried to disabuse the general public from in all my time in UKIP, as it's a surprisingly prevalent view. The media attempt to damage UKIP by claiming this is - effectively - a result of it's policies; it's propaganda.

Originally Posted by Niall Warry

I understand your sentiments but I'm afraid leaving the EU is far more complicated than that and it needs to be planned for in a lot of boring detail.

Indeed it is, but I think we are actually starting that process right now. I think that this ‘getting powers back’ business is a part of it. We are as a country are currently seeking to remove ourselves from the Human Rights Act and other bits and pieces. It's not much, but over the course of time it will add up and accelerate as we learn how to do it better. Cameron can't really say what he is doing other than in vague terms because its a case of sneaky plans designed to wrong-foot the blighters. We have to operate in stealth mode. I know it sounds terribly undemocratic and all of that, but that's how it has to be, just like the public would have been wrong to demand that the Second World War planning was all passed through them. It's a kind of diplomatic war. I don’t really see it like Farage does as a stroke of the pen. Indeed just like the 13 years of rotten Labour laws, they will take years to dismantle as well.

Originally Posted by Baron von Lotsov

Indeed it is, but I think we are actually starting that process right now. I think that this ‘getting powers back’ business is a part of it. We are as a country are currently seeking to remove ourselves from the Human Rights Act and other bits and pieces. It's not much, but over the course of time it will add up and accelerate as we learn how to do it better. Cameron can't really say what he is doing other than in vague terms because its a case of sneaky plans designed to wrong-foot the blighters. We have to operate in stealth mode. I know it sounds terribly undemocratic and all of that, but that's how it has to be, just like the public would have been wrong to demand that the Second World War planning was all passed through them. It's a kind of diplomatic war. I don’t really see it like Farage does as a stroke of the pen. Indeed just like the 13 years of rotten Labour laws, they will take years to dismantle as well.

If you really believe Cameron is doing bigger things behind the scenes than he is letting on in public then I'm afraids I don't share your optimism.

Originally Posted by Niall Warry

If you really believe Cameron is doing bigger things behind the scenes than he is letting on in public then I'm afraids I don't share your optimism.

I'm unsure exactly what is going on behind the scenes, but it won't just be Cameron involved. They have probably got an army of lawyers trying to figure it all out. I mean for example with the IMF 30bn euro business, it's pretty clear no one wants to pay up, but do we just leave the IMF as well? Is there another way? These and many more questions will be being investigated in order to establish what moves are legally possible. Cameron has the final say, but that will depend on what the options are and what his personal motivation is. I know he doesn't want to pay up, but what if he doesn't? What would be the repercussions? The trick is to oppose it in such a way that there won't be any negative repercussions. I think they did a good job on the veto because the europhiles lost the PR war. This is good because one result can drive others along. The other thing is that Sarkozy is not going to be around forever. He's basically trying to curry favour with the French electorate by being anti-British. If we can make things turn out to in a positive way for this country then he could get knocked out. I see our country gently turning the thumbscrews at the moment. It's on a good course. If they do pay up though we have lost. However we are still in the game and have not lost anything yet (except for that first £10bn). I see it as a process rather than a decisive act. Oh and then there is Clegg trying to do business behind the scenes with the Eurocrats as well. I'm sure they will annoy Cameron. The more skullduggery the Eurocrats engage in the more the Tories are going to hate the whole idea.