Thread: What should our Exit and Survival Strategy be from the EU?

Originally Posted by Jim S

What did UKIP use for its campaign theme at the last election, if it wasn’t about EU membership?
Was there something more important than this?
When you say the voters mind was more focus on getting rid of Labour at the last election, how do you explain the election results, where no party got an overall majority?
Clearly the public are still being faithful to the Lib/Lab/Con.

The party's campaign slogan / theme for the 2010 election was "Straight talking." That, and "Sod the lot" posters, which were actually shown at the press conference of the campaign launch - the media reaction made my blood curdle.

In my own campaign here, and being an obsessive media monitor, I knew that exiting the EU was not a local issue - at that time - and that the pro-EU media were, as usual, painting UKIP as a one-issue party. This is poisonous anti-UKIP propaganda, which kills (as it is designed to do) any chance to persuade floaters / undecideds. So I concentrated on the "big three", based on weeks of local, regional and national media monitoring, and discussions with my committee - Economy (local jobs / manufacturing industry etc.), MP scandals (expenses, transparency, Westminster and local government reform, Julie Kirkbride factor, etc) and immigration / asylum (plus local issues). When I was asked about wastes of public money, our continued EU membership was always wheeled out first, to some effect in the live BBC radio debate to which I was invited. One thing I've tried to impress on UKIP members, Jim, it isn't what "we" (or UKIP) think is important, it's what the electorate think is important, and how we (or UKIP) can apply the EU-secession message to those issues, to persuade them to our view. This is why I keep saying; in this climate, UKIP should be constantly pounding the economic case for leaving the EU, but for reasons that I and other injured and disaffected former members can't understand, they're not even countering the brainless propaganda.

Many people told us we'd come "....at least 2nd..."! Of course, 85% of voters here voted for the 3 traitor parties - this town is bluer than blue.

The elections results were foretold by polls and predicted by quite a few pundits weeks before the election, and I've posted on this before. Not enough traditional Tory voters had sufficient faith in Cameron, so guess what? They voted Limp Dim, thinking they'd done enough to get them FPTP. (Some Brown-hating labour voters deserted the party, but their vote was split between Tory / LD.) But no, because they're called the Limp Dims for a reason - totally and utterly out of touch with the British electorate. Labour and the Tories working together? In the next World War, maybe, so we had no government for 11 days while deals were done, and ended up with...well. Your last sentence is spot-on, for several reasons all discussed at length on here in various threads. But not accepted by some party members, to its detriment.

This is why there has to be fundamantal change in the party's day-to-day running, and it's entire approach to elections. The electorate's perception of UKIP is changing, but at a snail's pace. For me, it isn't that the EU is too big to fail, it's that the Elites whose dream it is won't allow it to fail. At any cost. And I doubt UKIP - on it's present course and speed - will be able to avoid the tidal wave of absolute EU dominance and control that we Eurosceptics think is coming.

Originally Posted by Niall Warry

So come on Nigel how about it?

Please don't call me Nigel, it's not my name and even if it was, I wouldn't like to be referred to as Nigel, as it sounds a bit gay.

Originally Posted by Road_Hog

Please don't call me Nigel, it's not my name and even if it was, I wouldn't like to be referred to as Nigel, as it sounds a bit gay.

But, surely, he was referring to Nigel Farage!?

Originally Posted by Steve Morson

But, surely, he was referring to Nigel Farage!?

I don't know exactly why but this exchange made me think of the song:-

"We are only making plans for Nigel"

Woolworth beauty
Factory beau
Arm in arm
They must go
To the church of dance with the light on low

Meccanic dancing oh we go
Can't wait until the weekend comes
I want to be with all my chums

Alcohol is an easy key
Helps you unwind
And dance with me
To a disco trot from Germany

I'm standing in front of this girl
I'm under a flourescent light
I've had a few beers inside me
I feel like a giant tonight


It seems to match our Nigel Farage to a 'T' and I urge him to adopt it for his campaign song when out electioneering!!!!

So here we go with Greece moving ever closer to default and what exactly is EUKIP doing?

It now is just so abundantly clear to me that the only way we are going to leave the EU is when the whole project crumbles around the Eurocrats ears.

So what point EUKIP?

Well the point could well be to forget electioneering apart from some very selective seats, because this just consumes money for no earthy good, and concentrate on working out our Exit and Survival Strategy and Benefits analysis.

This would be really useful work but don't hold your breath because Nigel's EUKIP isn't in the business of doing 'useful' work that is except for all the necessary 'useful' work which keeps Nigel in a job, riding the EU gravy train for all its worth and securing his own political future.

This thread, more than ever, is were the debate should be and to the best of knowledge Nigel's EUKIP is completely avoiding and ducking the question.

The real question therefore is what is EUKIP for anymore?

If any joker thinks that like David Steel once exclaimed about the Lib Dims that UKIP members should '"Go back to your constituencies, and prepare for government!" ..... then I'm afraid I beg to disagree!

Originally Posted by Chip

Coming from you this reminds me of the famous Basil Faulty line Niall "Is your degree in the bleeding obvious?" or words to that effect.

Is that a compliment?!

Originally Posted by Niall Warry

I understand your sentiments but I'm afraid leaving the EU is far more complicated than that and it needs to be planned for in a lot of boring detail.

I actually agree with this. If the British people vote for EU withdrawal, as I expect they eventually will, then there will indeed be a lot of boring detail to be dealt with and a lot of negotiation to be done. That is what career diplomats and top civil servants are for, and no doubt for some of the most talented of them the process of UK withdrawal will be the making of their careers.

However, diplomats, civil servants and other negotiators need clear political direction. What they need is for elected politicians to give them clear instructions on the final destination and also an indication of the general path to be taken to reach that destination.