Question What if the Scots leave the UK?

Penguin · 15-09-2008, 06:05 PM

The UK is our strength and as I have said on another thread we are playing right into the EU hands with our Nationalist Independent movements such as Scottish and Welsh. Divide & Conquer! Well the EU are winning!
If Scotland were to become Independent then they will have to understand what Independence really means. It is in all the UK members interests to stay as a union. What needs to be sorted out is the many discrepancies that apply not just regionally but also Nationally. We benefit each other in different ways.
England does subsidise Scotland. If they became Independent then that subsidy will stop and as a consequence they will have to either find the shortfall themslves or once again become dependant upon the EU. Seems to defeat the whole object.
Scotland must also ask themselves wether the EU and countries such as Germany would be willing to also subsidise Scotland from their EU coffers because at the moment the UK is doing that!
I am proud to be English but I am also proud to be British and I want to see the UK survive and prosper. That is my overiding aim and as such that is why I cannot bring myself to joining an English nationalist party.
I suggest to those that support any English Independence Party to ally themsleves firstly with the UKIP to get us out of the EU first and once we have achieved that then we can debate the issue of the UK and its members Independence. Of course I would argue that it remains the UK.
I also question the real want for Independence in Scotland. Perhaps the SNP has simply gained ground because of Labours complete ineptness at Government and the SNP is seen as the only alternative.

Jeff · 15-09-2008, 06:42 PM

Penguin,In my opinion the UK was our strength,but no longer is because the devolution and independence fever in Scotland and elsewhere in the UK has struck and will not be quenched by anyone.
You are right when you say that the EU is winning,but the ukip machine has died and gone to Brussels,so continuing to rely on them is futile,Farage has lost the plot along with his buddies.
The big three parties are not for the Union regardless of their constant spin to the contrary,and they are also not for England either.
That leaves EDP,GREENS and BNP,which of these can save the Union,I know not, but would plump for the EDP only from those three?
Many of your questions involve Scotland because it is they who were mobilising their efforts towards independence from the UK,that is,until the Free England Party was formed earlier this year.
I say let Scotland and the others have their independence from the UK,and good luck to them as well.
I also say that having taken less than ten minutes to read up on the Free England Party website that my mind was clear and so was their message,they are for England and the English and on top of that they are for withdrawal from the EU.
This is what the English people want and deserve,no other party is ready to put its support so solidly behind the English like the FEP has done.
The English have always been British,and they have always been free,and the FEP will guarantee that this will never change,ever.

Who could ask for more than that,and we all get our country back?

moe · 15-09-2008, 07:48 PM

To me, UKIP is on its way out. Since its support is basically in England anyway, why not bite the bullet now and rebrand as an English National Party.

Getting back to my original question, imagine if we wake up one morning in May 2010 to find that the Scots have voted to leave the union - what will UKIP do? surely they have thought of a contingency plan.

rjt · 16-09-2008, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff

The Union will be no more once Scotland or England have their independence,this applies to the Welsh and NI as well.

The Scots have their Scottish National Party,the Welsh have Plaid Cwmru and the NI have the Ulster Unionist Party,and now the English have the Free England Party to get behind and make a stand for all things English.

Nothing wrong with that at all,besides,its time that England took up its rightfull place in this modern world,nobody else will support it but the peoples of England will and have already started to do so by joining the FEP,and that can only be a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

A time for change,and a time for England!

Th SNP and PC still only enjoy minority support.

Gregory Lauder-Frost · 16-09-2008, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by moe

To me, UKIP is on its way out. Since its support is basically in England anyway, why not bite the bullet now and rebrand as an English National Party.

Getting back to my original question, imagine if we wake up one morning in May 2010 to find that the Scots have voted to leave the union - what will UKIP do? surely they have thought of a contingency plan.

One half of my family have lived in Scotland for 1000 years. We still have homes there and I can assure you that it is the media playing up this independence garbage. Just as they undermine everything else, the media are even undermining the United Kingdom. Several polls taken in the past year alone show that an overwhelming number of Scots wish to remain part of the UK. That said, I don't anyone at all who has ever been polled on this issue and as we all know polls are unrepresentative. So its an unknown quantity.

If voters understood that the money would soon dry up and the taxes substantially raised they'd vote against it anyway. And thats what would happen. Salmond and his ignoramuses are currently buying their votes with English money. Naturally those living in the 50% of the housing stock in Scotland which is State-owned think this is great. This is how Labour buy votes and the SNP is just a Scottish Labour Party really. The Westminster Labour Party won't do anything about the money flow to Scotland because they are dominated by Scots! It tells you something about the English that they have allowed all this to happen in the first place. (A bit like immigration.) Apathy is their biggest enemy.

rjt · 16-09-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregory Lauder-Frost

One half of my family have lived in Scotland for 1000 years. We still have homes there and I can assure you that it is the media playing up this independence garbage. Just as they undermine everything else, the media are even undermining the United Kingdom. Several polls taken in the past year alone show that an overwhelming number of Scots wish to remain part of the UK. That said, I don't anyone at all who has ever been polled on this issue and as we all know polls are unrepresentative. So its an unknown quantity.

If voters understood that the money would soon dry up and the taxes substantially raised they'd vote against it anyway. And thats what would happen. Salmond and his ignoramuses are currently buying their votes with English money. Naturally those living in the 50% of the housing stock in Scotland which is State-owned think this is great. This is how Labour buy votes and the SNP is just a Scottish Labour Party really. The Westminster Labour Party won't do anything about the money flow to Scotland because they are dominated by Scots! It tells you something about the English that they have allowed all this to happen in the first place. (A bit like immigration.) Apathy is their biggest enemy.

Very good post indeed, I share your view that the majority in Scotland wish to remain in the UK.

SponPlague · 17-09-2008, 08:53 AM

As a former UKIP MSP candidate, agree 100% with Gregory...

alfred the great · 17-09-2008, 09:23 AM

They know they are being subsidized by the rest of us silly buggers in england.Totally agree with GLF.

15-09-2008, 06:05 PM	#21 (permalink)
Penguin Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: UK - South Posts: 20	Union is our strength The UK is our strength and as I have said on another thread we are playing right into the EU hands with our Nationalist Independent movements such as Scottish and Welsh. Divide & Conquer! Well the EU are winning! If Scotland were to become Independent then they will have to understand what Independence really means. It is in all the UK members interests to stay as a union. What needs to be sorted out is the many discrepancies that apply not just regionally but also Nationally. We benefit each other in different ways. England does subsidise Scotland. If they became Independent then that subsidy will stop and as a consequence they will have to either find the shortfall themslves or once again become dependant upon the EU. Seems to defeat the whole object. Scotland must also ask themselves wether the EU and countries such as Germany would be willing to also subsidise Scotland from their EU coffers because at the moment the UK is doing that! I am proud to be English but I am also proud to be British and I want to see the UK survive and prosper. That is my overiding aim and as such that is why I cannot bring myself to joining an English nationalist party. I suggest to those that support any English Independence Party to ally themsleves firstly with the UKIP to get us out of the EU first and once we have achieved that then we can debate the issue of the UK and its members Independence. Of course I would argue that it remains the UK. I also question the real want for Independence in Scotland. Perhaps the SNP has simply gained ground because of Labours complete ineptness at Government and the SNP is seen as the only alternative.

15-09-2008, 07:48 PM	#23 (permalink)
moe Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Southern England Posts: 99 Party: English Democrats	The future lies in English Nationalism To me, UKIP is on its way out. Since its support is basically in England anyway, why not bite the bullet now and rebrand as an English National Party. Getting back to my original question, imagine if we wake up one morning in May 2010 to find that the Scots have voted to leave the union - what will UKIP do? surely they have thought of a contingency plan.

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15-09-2008, 06:42 PM	#22 (permalink)
Jeff Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 371 Party: Free England Party	Penguin,In my opinion the UK was our strength,but no longer is because the devolution and independence fever in Scotland and elsewhere in the UK has struck and will not be quenched by anyone. You are right when you say that the EU is winning,but the ukip machine has died and gone to Brussels,so continuing to rely on them is futile,Farage has lost the plot along with his buddies. The big three parties are not for the Union regardless of their constant spin to the contrary,and they are also not for England either. That leaves EDP,GREENS and BNP,which of these can save the Union,I know not, but would plump for the EDP only from those three? Many of your questions involve Scotland because it is they who were mobilising their efforts towards independence from the UK,that is,until the Free England Party was formed earlier this year. I say let Scotland and the others have their independence from the UK,and good luck to them as well. I also say that having taken less than ten minutes to read up on the Free England Party website that my mind was clear and so was their message,they are for England and the English and on top of that they are for withdrawal from the EU. This is what the English people want and deserve,no other party is ready to put its support so solidly behind the English like the FEP has done. The English have always been British,and they have always been free,and the FEP will guarantee that this will never change,ever. Who could ask for more than that,and we all get our country back?

17-09-2008, 08:53 AM	#27 (permalink)
SponPlague Uber Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Zurich Posts: 3,127	As a former UKIP MSP candidate, agree 100% with Gregory...

17-09-2008, 09:23 AM	#28 (permalink)
alfred the great Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 293	They know they are being subsidized by the rest of us silly buggers in england.Totally agree with GLF.