Question What if the Scots leave the UK?

rjt · 15-09-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by moe

So, any answers then. If there is no UK soon, then surely no UKIP either. This could really happen and UKIP must have discussed this?->

What would happen to UKIP if the people of Scotland vote for independence in 2010?

As UKIP is practically an English party in terms of electoral support I would suggest mothing much will happen at all.

Jeff · 15-09-2008, 02:55 PM

The Free England Party are for the Independence of England from both the UK and the EU and are drawing support from other parties already.

We are now seeing a new English party that will speak up for, and always support England and the English people,whilst remaining on good terms with the rest of the UK and with Europe.

When has a party ever done this before?

Never to my knowledge.

rjt · 15-09-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff

The Free England Party are for the Independence of England from both the UK and the EU and are drawing support from other parties already.

We are now seeing a new English party that will speak up for, and always support England and the English people,whilst remaining on good terms with the rest of the UK and with Europe.

When has a party ever done this before?

Never to my knowledge.

Nor to mine, does not meant they are right on the question of the union though.

Jeff · 15-09-2008, 03:25 PM

Which particular question?

Stephen Booth · 15-09-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by moe

So, any answers then. If there is no UK soon, then surely no UKIP either. This could really happen and UKIP must have discussed this?->

What would happen to UKIP if the people of Scotland vote for independence in 2010?

Depends what you mean by 'independence' though and the SNP need to spell this out. A kind of notional independence from England is one thing, but does Scottish Independence also mean independence from Europe?

It's similar to the people in Carlisle jealously looking over the border at the better NHS and OAP provision just north of the border, but on a larger scale.

I can imagine a situation rather like the Ireland referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, where the EU begins to bully a smaller country, and throw its weight against it.

What significance does the word 'independence' carry in this context?

Stephen Booth · 15-09-2008, 03:34 PM

Afterthought: The fact that people in Scotland want to walk away from the Union is in itself a terrible indictment of the way in which the Westminster paradigm has messed up relationships between us and taken advantage.

Jeff · 15-09-2008, 04:01 PM

I would think that if the Scottish Independent Parliament wished for things to remain the same as they are with regard to the EU,then the Scottish Parliament would enter into talks with the EU and cut itself a new deal,(or not).

I don't think things could just remain as they are today between the EU and them if Scotland was a newly Independent country to the north of England.

I understand things to mean that its the UK and the EU that are joined at the hip,not Scotland and for that matter not NI or Wales and England if the UK ceases to exist in any form.

rjt · 15-09-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff

Which particular question?

I was refering to the Union.

rjt · 15-09-2008, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Booth

Afterthought: The fact that people in Scotland want to walk away from the Union is in itself a terrible indictment of the way in which the Westminster paradigm has messed up relationships between us and taken advantage.

Some people in Scotland wish it to leave the Union, but they are still very much a minority.

Jeff · 15-09-2008, 05:19 PM

The Union will be no more once Scotland or England have their independence,this applies to the Welsh and NI as well.

The Scots have their Scottish National Party,the Welsh have Plaid Cwmru and the NI have the Ulster Unionist Party,and now the English have the Free England Party to get behind and make a stand for all things English.

Nothing wrong with that at all,besides,its time that England took up its rightfull place in this modern world,nobody else will support it but the peoples of England will and have already started to do so by joining the FEP,and that can only be a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

A time for change,and a time for England!

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15-09-2008, 02:55 PM	#12 (permalink)
Jeff Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 376 Party: Free England Party	The Free England Party are for the Independence of England from both the UK and the EU and are drawing support from other parties already. We are now seeing a new English party that will speak up for, and always support England and the English people,whilst remaining on good terms with the rest of the UK and with Europe. When has a party ever done this before? Never to my knowledge.

15-09-2008, 03:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
Jeff Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 376 Party: Free England Party	Which particular question?

15-09-2008, 04:01 PM	#17 (permalink)
Jeff Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 376 Party: Free England Party	I would think that if the Scottish Independent Parliament wished for things to remain the same as they are with regard to the EU,then the Scottish Parliament would enter into talks with the EU and cut itself a new deal,(or not). I don't think things could just remain as they are today between the EU and them if Scotland was a newly Independent country to the north of England. I understand things to mean that its the UK and the EU that are joined at the hip,not Scotland and for that matter not NI or Wales and England if the UK ceases to exist in any form.

15-09-2008, 05:19 PM	#20 (permalink)
Jeff Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 376 Party: Free England Party	The Union will be no more once Scotland or England have their independence,this applies to the Welsh and NI as well. The Scots have their Scottish National Party,the Welsh have Plaid Cwmru and the NI have the Ulster Unionist Party,and now the English have the Free England Party to get behind and make a stand for all things English. Nothing wrong with that at all,besides,its time that England took up its rightfull place in this modern world,nobody else will support it but the peoples of England will and have already started to do so by joining the FEP,and that can only be a good thing as far as I'm concerned. A time for change,and a time for England!