UKIP could gain a massive boost

Aardvark · 12-09-2008, 09:08 PM

I'd allow premises to have a smoking licence like an alcohol licence. The sign above the door would make it clear that there was smoke inside, even if only in one room. It's a choice that people could make if they felt it would benefit their trade. They could also have a licenced knocking shop if they wanted.

Niall Warry · 12-09-2008, 09:14 PM

I don't think it would make any difference to UKIPs appeal at the next GE if they promised everyone £1000. UKIP should be concentrating on getting the UK out the EU.

Nyge21 · 12-09-2008, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by T.N.Warry

I don't think it would make any difference to UKIPs appeal at the next GE if they promised everyone £1000. UKIP should be concentrating on getting the UK out the EU.

I think you will find "buying" people's vote will make ALL the difference T N Warry. Most voters who are given £1000 (esp if its given a few days before GE day) will vote for anyone who gives it. Party loyaly will go out of the window, mind you if it were only a three figure sum, it probably is not enough to sway people!

Also, i am assuming it is £1000 for every man woman and child (and immigrant). That'll be about £71 000 000 000 in today's money for a single election - but a small sum when compared to our membership costs of the EU

kernow · 12-09-2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Aardvark

Sadly they are more likely to stay at home. It will take a lot to get the smokers out in force.

Of course a truly libertarian party would lift the ban on handguns, allow hunting with dogs, legalise prostitution and ease the smoking ban.

The only one I wouldn't want lifted is the smoking ban!

kernow · 12-09-2008, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Nyge21

I think you will find "buying" people's vote will make ALL the difference T N Warry. Most voters who are given £1000 (esp if its given a few days before GE day) will vote for anyone who gives it. Party loyaly will go out of the window, mind you if it were only a three figure sum, it probably is not enough to sway people!

Also, i am assuming it is £1000 for every man woman and child (and immigrant). That'll be about £71 000 000 000 in today's money for a single election - but a small sum when compared to our membership costs of the EU

Agereed! small sum if you win, what if you still lose?

Niall Warry · 12-09-2008, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kernow

Agereed! small sum if you win, what if you still lose?

You don't pay do you

Aardvark · 13-09-2008, 03:14 PM

Direct vote buying is of course a criminal offence in the UK and, indeed, in most countries.

I have seen it happen and have received verifiable reports of it. It would work in the UK where you can observe the way a postal voter casts his/her vote and therefore can hold back payment until the envelope is sealed and you have it in your grubby mitt. Rumours, yet to be fully substantiated, are that votes sell for about 20 quid. Between 70 and 80% of the populace don't vote at most local elections and therefore a few well placed banknotes can change ownership of a marginal seat. In the days before semi-professional councillors there was little incentive, but with basic councillors in small districts pulling in 4K pa (16K for a 4 year stint, plus other potential perks if promoted to chair a committee) it makes sense to fork out a couple of K for the extra 100 votes.

The electorate is about 44 million, IIRC, and the census put us at just under 60 million so I'm not sure where the 71 million figure comes from. No party has 1000 GBP per elector so it's not a real issue. If you're in power it is worth announcing major projects in the run up to an election (Humber Bridge was announced during a by-election in Hull). New hospitals and schools are always popular with the electors in key marginals.

I think, however, Niall was being sarcastic. The point is that UKIP has little to offer the electorate and another new policy here and there won't make much difference. This actually allows the party to have a broad range of radical policies that can appeal to almost everyone in the hope that we will pick up a few votes here and there and get some deposits back.

Niall Warry · 13-09-2008, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Aardvark

Direct vote buying is of course a criminal offence in the UK and, indeed, in most countries.

I have seen it happen and have received verifiable reports of it. It would work in the UK where you can observe the way a postal voter casts his/her vote and therefore can hold back payment until the envelope is sealed and you have it in your grubby mitt. Rumours, yet to be fully substantiated, are that votes sell for about 20 quid. Between 70 and 80% of the populace don't vote at most local elections and therefore a few well placed banknotes can change ownership of a marginal seat. In the days before semi-professional councillors there was little incentive, but with basic councillors in small districts pulling in 4K pa (16K for a 4 year stint, plus other potential perks if promoted to chair a committee) it makes sense to fork out a couple of K for the extra 100 votes.

The electorate is about 44 million, IIRC, and the census put us at just under 60 million so I'm not sure where the 71 million figure comes from. No party has 1000 GBP per elector so it's not a real issue. If you're in power it is worth announcing major projects in the run up to an election (Humber Bridge was announced during a by-election in Hull). New hospitals and schools are always popular with the electors in key marginals.

I think, however, Niall was being sarcastic. The point is that UKIP has little to offer the electorate and another new policy here and there won't make much difference. This actually allows the party to have a broad range of radical policies that can appeal to almost everyone in the hope that we will pick up a few votes here and there and get some deposits back.

You are right and I can not believe anyone thought I as being serious

Niall Warry · 13-09-2008, 06:47 PM

Sorry should read 'was' not 'as'

Baron von Lotsov · 14-09-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by brad12jy

Votes Going Up In Smoke

They do indeed go up in smoke. What the UKIP needs to do is bring the problems caused by the EU home to the ordinary voter. Rather than say ‘this is the UKIP and this is what we are’, it's much better to say this is what is happening to you, this is why it is happening and we are here to help you get back some of your rights. The implication being that a party that offers help is one that people like and want to return the favour.

So the UKIP needs to look at the things that really get up people's noses, find a few regulations that they think are the doings of the government and let them know that these things are here to stay, whichever party you vote for unless it is a party that wants to quit the EU. That's simple to understand, there is no chance of getting our rights back with the current system. Say to them also that unless Cameron backs the idea of quitting the EU we will have exactly the same regime under his government because the only way he can change things is to leave the EU. If he tried to do it any other way it would be illegal. Most people don't get this point. Help them to understand it and they will talk to others.

12-09-2008, 09:08 PM	#11 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 4,255	I'd allow premises to have a smoking licence like an alcohol licence. The sign above the door would make it clear that there was smoke inside, even if only in one room. It's a choice that people could make if they felt it would benefit their trade. They could also have a licenced knocking shop if they wanted. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

13-09-2008, 03:14 PM	#17 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 4,255	Direct vote buying is of course a criminal offence in the UK and, indeed, in most countries. I have seen it happen and have received verifiable reports of it. It would work in the UK where you can observe the way a postal voter casts his/her vote and therefore can hold back payment until the envelope is sealed and you have it in your grubby mitt. Rumours, yet to be fully substantiated, are that votes sell for about 20 quid. Between 70 and 80% of the populace don't vote at most local elections and therefore a few well placed banknotes can change ownership of a marginal seat. In the days before semi-professional councillors there was little incentive, but with basic councillors in small districts pulling in 4K pa (16K for a 4 year stint, plus other potential perks if promoted to chair a committee) it makes sense to fork out a couple of K for the extra 100 votes. The electorate is about 44 million, IIRC, and the census put us at just under 60 million so I'm not sure where the 71 million figure comes from. No party has 1000 GBP per elector so it's not a real issue. If you're in power it is worth announcing major projects in the run up to an election (Humber Bridge was announced during a by-election in Hull). New hospitals and schools are always popular with the electors in key marginals. I think, however, Niall was being sarcastic. The point is that UKIP has little to offer the electorate and another new policy here and there won't make much difference. This actually allows the party to have a broad range of radical policies that can appeal to almost everyone in the hope that we will pick up a few votes here and there and get some deposits back. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008 Last edited by Aardvark; 13-09-2008 at 06:58 PM.

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12-09-2008, 09:14 PM	#12 (permalink)
Niall Warry Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Somerset Posts: 1,676	I don't think it would make any difference to UKIPs appeal at the next GE if they promised everyone £1000. UKIP should be concentrating on getting the UK out the EU.

13-09-2008, 06:47 PM	#19 (permalink)
Niall Warry Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Somerset Posts: 1,676	Sorry should read 'was' not 'as'