News: Bournemouth Echo: "Let them take drugs, says Ukip quest speaker"

Reg Anthony · 07-09-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SponPlague

Gawain Taylor, Ukip's prospective parliamentary candidate for North Dorset, said: "I think James Whale managed to upset every single person in the room, for different reasons.

Er, not quite. Certainly not the following NEC member:

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Originally Posted by douglas denny

He WAS good fun. What they call ooop-North a good 'turn'.

It was a great performance

Niall Warry · 07-09-2008, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by B.A.Ware

Nial I know where you are coming from but you are wrong,yes we could be doing a lot more, as we could be doing a lot more to get into a position of real power and influence and without the real power and influence we will NEVER have sovereignty.

I also know where you are comimg from but you are the one who is wrong!!

Surely what you guys have to face up to is the TIME it will take to get POWER.

I honestly believe the EU will collapse before UKIP gets power.

Therefore IMO we should concentrate on using all our forces to help get out the EU now.

Your route is just never going to happen in time.

Niall Warry

Mark Croucher · 07-09-2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Aardvark

It's actually very good publicity as it shows that UKIP isn't afraid to have controversial speakers with whom it disagrees.

The drugs issue will never go away with a straight policy of banning. I can source, within a few hours, any drug I like through people I know of in my town. I did shop the top dealer who was targetting my daughter and her friends. He should be out by now

UKIP would make no enemies with a well thought out strategy on the subject.

Finally, someone who understands the extent to which drugs has penetrated 'youth culture'. I sed to chuck out between 10 and 20 people a week from the 'Brewers for drug use, mainly cocaine. It is frightening just how many youngsters (and not so youngsters!) use it, and view it as just another part of a night out, not markedly different from having a few pints.

I should add that I don't agree with the legalisation argument, but neither do I have a better solution: drug culture is so entrenched perhaps legalisation is the answer.

And of course, for all the hullabaloo that legalisation causes here, how many have never had a toke before? Not in the same league as cocaine perhaps, but still an illegal drug...

rgds

M

Niall Warry · 07-09-2008, 07:12 PM

Just for the record, given that the UK would NEVER now adopt a hang 'em and flog 'em policy, I think the time has come to for the Government to sell drugs from well regulated shops thereby, at a stroke, putting every dealer out of business and bringing a serious level of control to the whole drugs business.

Aardvark · 07-09-2008, 07:31 PM

That might be the way to go if treatment can be offered to people on a discreet basis as well. The important thing is to stamp out the dealers, the prostitution and theft linked to the maintenance of a drugs habit. Control isn't just banning.

What's a toke? I don't know if I've had one or not; shared a spliff or 2 when I was 17, but didn't like smoking so never got the habit.

gc · 07-09-2008, 07:46 PM

A libertarian view, Mark, that the membership probably does not agree with.

HM · 07-09-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gc

A libertarian view, Mark, that the membership probably does not agree with.

It would seem pretty stupid of them to join a self-describedly libertarian party then.

Geoffrey Collier · 07-09-2008, 08:02 PM

Taxation, by its very nature, will artificially inflate prices; take as our examples alcohol and tobacco. To avoid this artificial price mechanism, smuggling and other methods are employed. If drugs are legalised, is it being suggested that they will carry no taxation? If they are taxed, they will join the list with alcohol and tobacco, and this will result in an increase in legal drug consumption, which will then be in compettion with illegal drug suppliers.

I favour helping drug addicts, but it must be done through the medical agencies, rather than the market place. Make it easier to register drug addiction, with a positive benefit to the addict. Committing crimes to obtain money to feed the habit, is a special problem, because it does not help the addict in the long-term, but intrudes upon the rights, liberties and possessions of the innocent. If an answer exists, it must be one which balances the interest of the addict, with the broader interests of society.

gc · 07-09-2008, 08:06 PM

Nobody answered my question... Who invited him? Who invited James Whale?

mrabody · 07-09-2008, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by T.N.Warry

I also know where you are comimg from but you are the one who is wrong!!

Surely what you guys have to face up to is the TIME it will take to get POWER.

I honestly believe the EU will collapse before UKIP gets power.

Therefore IMO we should concentrate on using all our forces to help get out the EU now.

Your route is just never going to happen in time.

Niall Warry

I find your reasoning strange. If the EU is going to collapse why waste time campaigning to get the UK out of it?

07-09-2008, 07:31 PM	#25 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 4,255	That might be the way to go if treatment can be offered to people on a discreet basis as well. The important thing is to stamp out the dealers, the prostitution and theft linked to the maintenance of a drugs habit. Control isn't just banning. What's a toke? I don't know if I've had one or not; shared a spliff or 2 when I was 17, but didn't like smoking so never got the habit. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

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07-09-2008, 07:12 PM	#24 (permalink)
Niall Warry Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Somerset Posts: 1,676	Just for the record, given that the UK would NEVER now adopt a hang 'em and flog 'em policy, I think the time has come to for the Government to sell drugs from well regulated shops thereby, at a stroke, putting every dealer out of business and bringing a serious level of control to the whole drugs business.

07-09-2008, 07:46 PM	#26 (permalink)
gc Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 605	A libertarian view, Mark, that the membership probably does not agree with.

07-09-2008, 08:02 PM	#28 (permalink)
Geoffrey Collier Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,323	Taxation, by its very nature, will artificially inflate prices; take as our examples alcohol and tobacco. To avoid this artificial price mechanism, smuggling and other methods are employed. If drugs are legalised, is it being suggested that they will carry no taxation? If they are taxed, they will join the list with alcohol and tobacco, and this will result in an increase in legal drug consumption, which will then be in compettion with illegal drug suppliers. I favour helping drug addicts, but it must be done through the medical agencies, rather than the market place. Make it easier to register drug addiction, with a positive benefit to the addict. Committing crimes to obtain money to feed the habit, is a special problem, because it does not help the addict in the long-term, but intrudes upon the rights, liberties and possessions of the innocent. If an answer exists, it must be one which balances the interest of the addict, with the broader interests of society.

07-09-2008, 08:06 PM	#29 (permalink)
gc Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 605	Nobody answered my question... Who invited him? Who invited James Whale?