News: Restoring Britishness!

SponPlague · 05-09-2008, 04:26 PM

Very intersting; too big to directly post here...

http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/britishness.pdf

chikrodah · 05-09-2008, 06:29 PM

From the policy document (which, as per usual is riddled with ideas that will appeal to a small minority, thus masking and diluting the message of the good ideas):

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Large multinationals are often a law unto themselves, with some of them making fortunes by not being registered for tax.

What's the source for that statement?

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All British companies and government departments to provide annual statements on how they have furthered British values and interests.

Small businesses are going to love that one.

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A copy of the Magna Carta to be displayed in a prominent position in the Houses of Parliament.

Why?

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All UK Citizens would undergo a ‘Citizenship Ceremony’, an English test, and swear an ‘Oath of Allegiance’ to the Monarch and Constitution, on receipt of passports.

Once every 10 years, presumably, whether we need to or not?

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UKIP will encourage a return to the glamour, grace and style of the railway companies of the past through its railway policies, such as ‘Pullman’ trains and to the proper ‘Great Western Railway’ brand

Well, that should sort out our public transport system.

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UKIP will require inquiries into alleged discrimination in favour of ethnic minority candidates in media outlets, and casting and selective decisions on drama attacked by a BBC non-executive director as tokenism

What has that got to do with running the country?

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UKIP will create a British film studio, similar to major US Hollywood studios, with international distribution deals, generating 8 major British style feature films a year, furthering British values and talent.

Anybody ever heard of the Pinewood Studios Group?

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We will tighten up classification procedures through the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC), to resist Hollywood pressure to give lower classification ratings to films with a high quota of violence, with a Parliamentary committee to oversee and overrule film classifications, if inappropriate.

UKIP's first quango is on its way...

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UKIP will crack down on violent and unsportsmanlike behaviour in football, which undercut British values such as honesty and fair play, and provide poor role models. Disciplinary powers will be moved from the Football Association to an independent and more impartial sports body instead, with tougher sanctions

UKIP's second quango.

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To encourage pride in Britain and Britishness, and taking inspiration from the excellent former ‘UK Theme’- a ‘medley’ of national songs on Radio 4 axed for politically correct reasons – schools would be encouraged to sing the British national anthem, and the anthems of all 4 home nations – ‘Flower of Scotland’, ‘Jerusalem’ (for England), ‘Mae Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau/Land of Our Fathers’(for Wales) and ‘Danny Boy’(representing Northern Ireland), along with appropriate folk songs.

Danny Boy????? Appropriate folk songs? As a folk singer myself, I think I should point out that there's as much violence, gore and sex in a decent folksong as there is in the "Gangster Rap" this document hates so much.

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No discussion of the crises facing modern British society would be complete without a discussion of this treasonous political, media and legal class - the ‘politically correct class’.

That's going to go down a treat with council workers - sorry, enforcers....

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It has the clear political aim of destroying nation states such as Britain in favour of the creation of a United States of Europe – a new Yugoslavia.

A new Yugoslavia??? That's the worst insult they can come up with?

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UKIP will also dismantle all the machinery of equality, diversity and (allegedly) antidiscrimination.

UKIP would repeal or amend related legislation in this area, much of EU origin, and institute a simple and strong commitment to fair treatment for all UK citizens based on merit, regardless of gender, race or religion, founded on common British values.

All ‘positive discrimination’ or ‘positive action’ will be made illegal – UKIP believes there is nothing positive about any form of discrimination.

Nothing wrong with this, but how? Where are the details?

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The prospect of say Centrica, owners of British Gas, being taken over by Russia’s Gazprom or Russian Sovereign Wealth Funds that would promote their national interest whilst undermining our own national interest is alarming. But the investment in Chelsea football club has been very positive for Britain.

No comment...

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UKIP will encourage local authorities to give rates relief for historic or important community pubs, and protect their locations planning use protection. UKIP will give tax relief for real ales, whilst raising duties on supermarket and off licences, and require supermarkets to account for alcoholic sales separately so as to prevent ‘loss leading’ alcohol sales at irresponsible low prices.

Nice to see they watched Paul Wesson's Vote for Me appearance.

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We would encourage the replacement of US-style baseball caps from all public services, particularly the police and armed forces, with traditional British headdress.

Top hats? Bowlers? Knotted hankies????

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UKIP will encourage higher standards of behaviour in society, including greater politeness, courtesy, manners, not swearing in public, and reflect these aims in schools, policing and public transport priorities.

Well, stap me vittels with a bent gherkin....

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The impression that British food is poor, stodgy and unexciting is a false concept today, and has been one hangover from wartime Britain that should be ended.

Other hangovers being OK, presumably?

As always, no details, no costings, little common sense.

C_steam · 05-09-2008, 06:41 PM

Oh come on UKIPPERS - defend this! I need a laugh.

What more evidence do you need of a party with no direction acting purposefully to orchestrate its own destruction?

Nicely ripped apart Chik.

HM · 05-09-2008, 07:12 PM

A mixed bag. Some of this stuff is authoritarian and OTT and I think other UKIP policy documents have been better thought out. There are some good ideas in there but I think it probes too far into detail like setting quotas on foreign football players, arranging Gestapo press controls and banging on about people wearing caps.

Earthling · 05-09-2008, 07:25 PM

Very interesting, a lot of it makes sense though some of it I find un-neccesary.
The film studio proposal is nice, but why "8 films a year" ? Too target-driven for my liking, particularly if they turn out to be stinkers of films! Why not focus on quality above quantity?

Anyway all in all, a nice reminder of why I support UKIP. Brimming in common sense.

HM · 05-09-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Earthling

Brimming in common sense.

You don't think that for example the quotes that Chikrodah posted go against all ideas of common sense? You're right when you say it is unneccessary in parts - why is a party believing in freedom to choose things in our lives saying that if it were in government it would (a) "counter" gangster rap (b) tell policemen what hats they should wear (c) tell people in public and footballers how to behave (d) implement quotas on football teams' national makeups (e) control what kind of programmes the BBC can and can't show and air?

HM · 05-09-2008, 08:43 PM

See also: http://democracyforum.co.uk/ukip-gen...tml#post537726

Stephen Booth · 05-09-2008, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HM

A mixed bag. Some of this stuff is authoritarian and OTT and I think other UKIP policy documents have been better thought out. There are some good ideas in there but I think it probes too far into detail like setting quotas on foreign football players, arranging Gestapo press controls and banging on about people wearing caps.

It's very prescriptive. This idea would probably be better served by creating a culture of 'Britishness', which people buy into voluntarily.

Another approach could be to point up the rubbishness of things like the police baseball cap and the substitution of American stuff for British things everywhere. There needs to be a wholesale root and branch pointing up of rubbish culture, poorly designed housing estates, lowering of education standards and this culture of ugliness. It has to be criticised, but there also needs to be a visible, viable, positive alternative.

Earthling · 05-09-2008, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by HM

You don't think that for example the quotes that Chikrodah posted go against all ideas of common sense? You're right when you say it is unneccessary in parts - why is a party believing in freedom to choose things in our lives saying that if it were in government it would (a) "counter" gangster rap (b) tell policemen what hats they should wear (c) tell people in public and footballers how to behave (d) implement quotas on football teams' national makeups (e) control what kind of programmes the BBC can and can't show and air?

I see what you are saying former UkipHM, and like I said there are parts which seem un-neccessary however I feel the basis of this paper is very good and for the most part it makes a lot of sense.

For example, axing the lefty sections of the BBC can't be a bad move, neither can making the disgrace which is positive discrimination illegal.

The smoking proposals make a lot of sense too.

I am not saying the paper is perfect, and by un-neccesary I am saying some of it seems a little authoritarian or un-neccesarily target-driven e.g. the "8 British Movies a year" but I feel the overall context is pretty good and let's face it - no other party comes close to this level of common sense which doesn't also have policy on making Britain white.

HM · 05-09-2008, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Earthling

I am not saying the paper is perfect, and by un-neccesary I am saying some of it seems a little authoritarian or un-neccesarily target-driven e.g. the "8 British Movies a year" but I feel the overall context is pretty good and let's face it - no other party comes close to this level of common sense which doesn't also have policy on making Britain white.

Absolutely. I was just pointing out some of the more fruitcake ideas in the policy; I don't doubt that it has some very good ideas like no discrimination (+ or -), tackle extreme Islam, embrace monoculturalism, more bank holidays), but like you and Stephen Booth have said, parts of it are also target-driven and very prescriptive. For a party whose website bears the motto 'freedom to choose', it ironically seems very willing now to be dictating through policy packages how people should live every aspect of their lives.

05-09-2008, 04:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
SponPlague Uber Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Zurich Posts: 3,400	Restoring Britishness! Very intersting; too big to directly post here... http://www.ukip.org/media/pdf/britishness.pdf

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C_steam Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Paddling up 5hit creek..... Posts: 7,964	Oh come on UKIPPERS - defend this! I need a laugh. What more evidence do you need of a party with no direction acting purposefully to orchestrate its own destruction? Nicely ripped apart Chik. __________________ -------------------------------------------------- Users on ignore list: None. I've got to have people to laugh at. Cowardly Posters* list: BobFM, Bellatrix.*People who post personal insults then refuse to reply .

05-09-2008, 07:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
HM Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,004 Party: None	A mixed bag. Some of this stuff is authoritarian and OTT and I think other UKIP policy documents have been better thought out. There are some good ideas in there but I think it probes too far into detail like setting quotas on foreign football players, arranging Gestapo press controls and banging on about people wearing caps. __________________ Respice post te; hominem te esse memento!

05-09-2008, 07:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
Earthling Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cheshire Posts: 292 Party: UKIP	Very interesting, a lot of it makes sense though some of it I find un-neccesary. The film studio proposal is nice, but why "8 films a year" ? Too target-driven for my liking, particularly if they turn out to be stinkers of films! Why not focus on quality above quantity? Anyway all in all, a nice reminder of why I support UKIP. Brimming in common sense. __________________ Earthling's Blog Don't let EU rule Britannia! Vote UKIP and say NO to Brussels Bureaucracy.

05-09-2008, 08:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
HM Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,004 Party: None	See also: http://democracyforum.co.uk/ukip-gen...tml#post537726 __________________ Respice post te; hominem te esse memento!

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