News: Paul Nuttall is new Chairman!

SponPlague · 06-09-2008, 11:43 AM

Good luck, Paul - but would it really been too difficult to have had a quick NEC meet before conference start and presented you (And the general secretary)? Or were they terrified John West would show up?

Aardvark · 06-09-2008, 11:57 AM

I suspect that if I renew my membership I will be expelled. Two members of my branch committee and our candidate think that the treason issue is the way to go; I disagree. My candidate thinks the Statute of Praemunire (repealed by the 1967 Criminal Law Act) and the 1661 Treason Act (replaced by the largely repealed 1695 Treason Act - see earlier posts) are still extant law. He also thinks that a 1533 law will help us, but the only statutes still extant apply to the reformation of the church. Likewise he misinterprets the 1688/9 Bill of Rights and, like so many in UKIP, cannot differentiate between the Oath of Allegiance and the Oath of Supremacy. I have pointed out these errrors, but as the facts I know are not in accord with the views of 3 senior branch members it will be me who is expelled.

Independent UKIP · 07-09-2008, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Aardvark

I suspect that if I renew my membership I will be expelled. ... I have pointed out these errrors, but as the facts I know are not in accord with the views of 3 senior branch members it will be me who is expelled.

If it is expulsion from the party that you refer to I was not aware that local branch officers are able to do such a thing. If it is expulsion from a local branch whilst remaining a full party member I was also not aware that branch officers are able to do such a thing.

If a constituted Disciplinary Committee expelled you from the party as a result of actions set in motion by some of your branch members I would be utterly amazed that said committee would do any such thing.

On the basis of my assumed beliefs above I hope you will renew your membership.

You are, however, welcome to come and live in my constituency and I presume also establish a local UKIP branch here. Once Cameron starts messing up the UKIP message might be more attractive here.

B.A.Ware · 07-09-2008, 03:20 AM

Paul Nuttall, Who???????

Was he a branch Chairman Ive never heard of, did he run a branch somewhere and increase its membership, did he run for the NEC and become a leading light, has he stood for election and won a good majority of the vote or is he one of the inner click within UKIP, i know where my money would be.

Mikeuk · 07-09-2008, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Petrina

I have been impressed by Paul Nuttall`s articles in the Ind News over the years ,he is obviously very good on paper ,I haven`t met him so I can`t comment any further .

However he has two problems to overcome as Chairman .
First of all it appears that he has taken advantage of his close links to NFand co and allowed himself to be manouvered into the top spot on his MEP`s list ,the duly elected candidate apparently having had a Damascene conversion to a new life style and secondly he is a paid member of the EU team and therefore not a representative of the rank and file .
It`s a pity that they can`t find someone from the list of local chairmen etc or an elected member of the NEC to fill the spot to show their regard for democracy and for the general membership ,after all that is who he should be dealing with from now on .
Apart from his age I see no clear break with the immediate past ,just an extension of the present .
Nevertheless good luck to him ,he`ll need it .

A very nice and intelligent chap and I was impressed by his view of the situation in Merseyside where it is UKIP rather than the Tories who - for the time being at any rate - can provide the real alternative to this dreadful government.

Nuttall represents a sensible, moderate, pragmatic strand in UKIP. More power to his elbow, and to Nigel's. Nigel is backing him 100%

...and you are not likely to forget his hairstyle.

Mikeuk · 07-09-2008, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Aardvark

I suspect that if I renew my membership I will be expelled. Two members of my branch committee and our candidate think that the treason issue is the way to go; I disagree. My candidate thinks the Staute of Praemunire (repealed by the 1967 Criminal Law Act) and the 1661 Treason Act (replaced by the largely repealed 1695 Treason Act - see earlier posts) are still extant law. He also thinks that a 1533 law will help us, but the only statutes still extant apply to the reformation of the church. Likewise he misinterprets the 1688/9 Bill of Rights and, like so many in UKIP, cannot differentiate between the Oath of Allegiance and the Oath of Supremacy. I have pointed out these errrors, but as the facts I know are not in accord with the views of 3 senior branch members it will be me who is expelled.

These morons can't expel you Paul. Nigel will never permit it.

Mikeuk · 07-09-2008, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by chikrodah

I think it's safe to say that both the leadership and the membership of UKIP have spoken.

UKIP wants jobs for the boys. It wants celebrities (Andreasen, Tolstoy, etc.) and old-fashioned '70s-style right wing Tories (van der Elst, Tingle, etc). It's happy to excuse poor election management and poor man-management - and remind others, if all else fails, that it's run by gallant volunteers. If you complain, if you want respect, if you want support when your area is carpetbagged by celebrities or other chosen ones - you are the problem. Your betters know more than you do and you should be grateful.

Typical Tory behaviour. Typical Tory tactics. Typical 1950s - 1970s Tories. Has GLF joined yet?

These people are all intelligent - yes I know it sounds patronising but so many people in UKIP are utter morons - and they are not all right wing.

I was impressed by Ms Andreasen, a very sophisticated lady who lives in Europe's coolest city, Barcelona. She is a half Danish, half French Argentinian married to a Catalan.That is the kind of internationalism UKIP needs to promote.

Ive turned my back on bigotry and parochialism. Unless the remainder of UKIP do the same the party is doomed.

Aardvark · 07-09-2008, 10:27 AM

I have no doubt that some of my branch committee, who brief against me, sometimes on this forum, will do whatever is required to ensure that I cannot make a contribution to my local party. I don't want to turn up to branch functions as I would spend the entire evening being ostracised and, if aarable's behaviour in Witney pubs is anything to go by, loudly slandered in a way that I would not wish to have to defend during a quiet night out.

Witney branch is dominated by former Selsdon members and those who think that prosecuting dead men for treason is acceptable (see aaarable's earlier posts where he discusses trying Heath in absentia; UKIP has just opposed extradition of people tried in absentia). I have better things to do with my time than get involved with the utter lunacies propounded in Witney. I also have to distance myself lest any of my friends think I am associating with imbeciles who walk into police stations and report people for a time barred offence based on out of date law and incomplete paperwork.

Mikeuk I was also impressed when I dined with Ms Andreasen, but her lack of long-term conviction that we should leave, as opposed to reform, the EU suggests an alternate agenda. I am very internationalist in my viewpoint and am currently the only Brit living or working in the town I am in (albeit temporarily). That doesn't mean I will automatically support the wrong person for the job because I want to appear PC.

UKIP does have its fair share of morons I will agree, but they marginalise the intelligent and even insult people for being quailified (see posts by aarable, BobFM, twizzel et al). Lawyers are regularly attacked on this forum as if UKIP has to be seen to be a party without any legally qualified people so that the 'experts' in treason or 'the constitution' can spout their garbage with impunity. UKIP supporters have laid complaints in magistrates courts that were not founded on modern law, they have sought to have treason charges brought against the dead, they have sought to 'enforce' sections of Magna Carta that have long been repealed, they are too thick to realise that the 1215 Magna Carta was signed under duress and was never enforced, they cite mediaeval writers and statutes but not those that have superceded or replaced them, they try to get out of fines by misinterpreting the Bill of Rights (all they had to do was read it all), they confuse the oath of supremacy with the oath of allegiance and cannot mentally separate ecclesiastical and spiritual supremacy from temporal supremacy, and they rabbit on about things they have picked up in out of date library books as if they are the truth. When they are told they are wrong they become abusive in the extreme, they proclaim, despite never having read a law book or statute from end to end and despite never having attended a law lecture or taken an exam in law, that they are experts in the law. When pushed they cannot identify a single qualified lawyer by name who supports their case and they will not pay for nor show evidence of a written legal opinion.

Why would any intelligent person want to waste his or her time in their company?

michael mcgough · 07-09-2008, 10:31 AM

Well said Mike.
The Conference was most positive and the numbers of young members very encouraging .

Jeff · 07-09-2008, 10:51 AM

Mike McGough,Is it true that Farage was under pressure during a heated Q&A session at the Conference?
Do you have anything to say about myself and others stating that Farage and therefore UKIP are now on a tack towards the Reforming of UKIP in the hope of Reforming the EU from within?
These are serious questions which are asked of you,will you answer them?

06-09-2008, 11:57 AM	#22 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 4,255	I suspect that if I renew my membership I will be expelled. Two members of my branch committee and our candidate think that the treason issue is the way to go; I disagree. My candidate thinks the Statute of Praemunire (repealed by the 1967 Criminal Law Act) and the 1661 Treason Act (replaced by the largely repealed 1695 Treason Act - see earlier posts) are still extant law. He also thinks that a 1533 law will help us, but the only statutes still extant apply to the reformation of the church. Likewise he misinterprets the 1688/9 Bill of Rights and, like so many in UKIP, cannot differentiate between the Oath of Allegiance and the Oath of Supremacy. I have pointed out these errrors, but as the facts I know are not in accord with the views of 3 senior branch members it will be me who is expelled. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008 Last edited by Aardvark; 07-09-2008 at 10:02 AM.

07-09-2008, 03:20 AM	#24 (permalink)
B.A.Ware Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,773 Party: UKIP	Paul Nuttall, Who??????? Was he a branch Chairman Ive never heard of, did he run a branch somewhere and increase its membership, did he run for the NEC and become a leading light, has he stood for election and won a good majority of the vote or is he one of the inner click within UKIP, i know where my money would be. __________________ We’re not just about Europe.

07-09-2008, 10:27 AM	#28 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 4,255	I have no doubt that some of my branch committee, who brief against me, sometimes on this forum, will do whatever is required to ensure that I cannot make a contribution to my local party. I don't want to turn up to branch functions as I would spend the entire evening being ostracised and, if aarable's behaviour in Witney pubs is anything to go by, loudly slandered in a way that I would not wish to have to defend during a quiet night out. Witney branch is dominated by former Selsdon members and those who think that prosecuting dead men for treason is acceptable (see aaarable's earlier posts where he discusses trying Heath in absentia; UKIP has just opposed extradition of people tried in absentia). I have better things to do with my time than get involved with the utter lunacies propounded in Witney. I also have to distance myself lest any of my friends think I am associating with imbeciles who walk into police stations and report people for a time barred offence based on out of date law and incomplete paperwork. Mikeuk I was also impressed when I dined with Ms Andreasen, but her lack of long-term conviction that we should leave, as opposed to reform, the EU suggests an alternate agenda. I am very internationalist in my viewpoint and am currently the only Brit living or working in the town I am in (albeit temporarily). That doesn't mean I will automatically support the wrong person for the job because I want to appear PC. UKIP does have its fair share of morons I will agree, but they marginalise the intelligent and even insult people for being quailified (see posts by aarable, BobFM, twizzel et al). Lawyers are regularly attacked on this forum as if UKIP has to be seen to be a party without any legally qualified people so that the 'experts' in treason or 'the constitution' can spout their garbage with impunity. UKIP supporters have laid complaints in magistrates courts that were not founded on modern law, they have sought to have treason charges brought against the dead, they have sought to 'enforce' sections of Magna Carta that have long been repealed, they are too thick to realise that the 1215 Magna Carta was signed under duress and was never enforced, they cite mediaeval writers and statutes but not those that have superceded or replaced them, they try to get out of fines by misinterpreting the Bill of Rights (all they had to do was read it all), they confuse the oath of supremacy with the oath of allegiance and cannot mentally separate ecclesiastical and spiritual supremacy from temporal supremacy, and they rabbit on about things they have picked up in out of date library books as if they are the truth. When they are told they are wrong they become abusive in the extreme, they proclaim, despite never having read a law book or statute from end to end and despite never having attended a law lecture or taken an exam in law, that they are experts in the law. When pushed they cannot identify a single qualified lawyer by name who supports their case and they will not pay for nor show evidence of a written legal opinion. Why would any intelligent person want to waste his or her time in their company? __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008 Last edited by Aardvark; 07-09-2008 at 08:43 PM.

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06-09-2008, 11:43 AM	#21 (permalink)
SponPlague Uber Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Zurich Posts: 3,400	Good luck, Paul - but would it really been too difficult to have had a quick NEC meet before conference start and presented you (And the general secretary)? Or were they terrified John West would show up?

07-09-2008, 10:31 AM	#29 (permalink)
michael mcgough Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Essex Posts: 1,251	Well said Mike. The Conference was most positive and the numbers of young members very encouraging .

07-09-2008, 10:51 AM	#30 (permalink)
Jeff Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 376 Party: Free England Party	Mike McGough,Is it true that Farage was under pressure during a heated Q&A session at the Conference? Do you have anything to say about myself and others stating that Farage and therefore UKIP are now on a tack towards the Reforming of UKIP in the hope of Reforming the EU from within? These are serious questions which are asked of you,will you answer them?