News: Paul Nuttall is new Chairman!

Jeff · 05-09-2008, 07:08 PM

I'm quite pleased that the disjointed Dr. Whittaker has finally realised that staying with Farage is a losing game,however,I am sorely disapointed that the position has been given to Paul Nuttall without the Constitutional involvement of the Party NEC,in my opinion this is dictatorial Leadership.

Mr Nuttall,is a quite able UKIPPER in my opinion,and must surely be aware that the UKIP Constitution states that the Leader of the Party may APPOINT a Chairman of the Party,but it is for the Party NEC Members to APPROVE such an appointment.

The Party NEC has not been fully informed of this developement to my knowledge.

Mr Nuttall,as the New Party Chairman should of been aware of this Constitutional requirement before accepting the position,and,should not of demonstrated his willingness to treat the UKIP Party NEC with utter contempt as is the constant habit of the present Party Leadership group.

This move of appointing Mr Nuttall as Party Chairman, without carrying out the rules as laid down within the Constitution demonstrates that the UKIP Party Constitution is not something to be trusted in any way or form.

In short,it appears that the UKIP Party Constitution means nothing at all,because it seems to be ignored by some of the Leadership group,whenever the need arises to do so.

UKIP must have change,starting from the top,with the Leader,Farage being the first to go.

Petrina · 05-09-2008, 07:13 PM

If what Jeff says is true then it is disgraceful and not the first time that the NEC`s views have not been sought on matters that they have a say in .How come GLW knew Nuttall was going to be Chairman before the NEC did ?

Niall Warry · 05-09-2008, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by douglas denny

I have just returned from the conference. He stressed he is a new broom and implies he intends to sweep clean.
He also had this to say (for the likes of Niall Warry please note):-

paraphrased:-

"UKIP needs discipline and unity to follow the path to achieving our objectives; so, for those who bring disunity and disharmony to the party ...either got on board OR GET OUT !"

And he is right.

DED.
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You make 2 key points UKIP needs to be cleaned up and UKIP needs unity. You can not have one with out the other. I'm staying to see UKIP cleaned up if it isn't I'll continue to atack Nigel and his cabal.

Petrina · 05-09-2008, 07:35 PM

It`s a bit rich demanding unity and discipline if you may have just achieved your chairmanship and place on the MEP list inspite of the normal rules .

chikrodah · 05-09-2008, 07:48 PM

I think it's safe to say that both the leadership and the membership of UKIP have spoken.

UKIP wants jobs for the boys. It wants celebrities (Andreasen, Tolstoy, etc.) and old-fashioned '70s-style right wing Tories (van der Elst, Tingle, etc). It's happy to excuse poor election management and poor man-management - and remind others, if all else fails, that it's run by gallant volunteers. If you complain, if you want respect, if you want support when your area is carpetbagged by celebrities or other chosen ones - you are the problem. Your betters know more than you do and you should be grateful.

Typical Tory behaviour. Typical Tory tactics. Typical 1950s - 1970s Tories. Has GLF joined yet?

Anthony Butcher · 05-09-2008, 10:07 PM

It would appear that Jeff is entirely correct. The NEC doesn't meet until Monday and thus hasn't had any discussion on the choice of Chairman.

This is a typical Farage dirty trick - announce something to the membership, who will applaud, and it is a fait accompli; how can the NEC disagree with the "choice" of the membership?

This is also a typical Farage stupid trick - those NEC members whose nuts aren't in a jar in Farage's office will of course object strongly to being bypassed in such a cavalier manner. Hence Paul's first NEC meeting will start off with a big row and a power struggle. What a brilliant bit of leadership from Farage. It's as if he goes out of his way to upset the people he is supposed to be working with.

As Jeff says, as the new Chairman, Paul will be responsible for upholding the party constitution along with the party secretary. The fact that he has willingly accepted a position without first giving the NEC a chance to debate and approve his appointment is a very poor start. Either he is unaware of the party rules or he has chosen to ignore them. Neither option is good for a Party Chairman. Going along with Farage's dirty trick doesn't make him look like he is his own man, or that he is a break from the past - in fact this is exactly how Farage announced Whittaker last time.

As for Paul's message of 'you are with us or against us', it doesn't bode well. UKIP is a divided party, and run really badly. Of course members complain about problems... because there are very real problems. Telling them to shut up or get out is actually just going to make things that much worse; some people will feel too afraid to voice their criticisms and others will simply feel alienated and forced into the 'troublemakers' camp. If I was a UKIP member, I would be politely telling him to stick his message where the sun doesn't shine.

Surely a more positive (and less testosterone-fuelled) message would have been "I am going to dramatically improve the way things are run in UKIP and I hope that you can get behind us!"?

The whole "sweeping out the moaners" really just makes him sound like a Farage attack dog out to remove anyone who doesn't support the Cult of Farage. The last thing UKIP needs is another Farage lackey - what it needs is someone to tell Farage that he is **** at management and to take over the running of the party in a professional manner. Whether Paul can do that remains to be seen.

I wish him luck. Whittaker was a terrible Chairman, so Paul, whom I have only seen good things from in the past, has a real opportunity to show how it can be done properly, but it's not a good start so far.

david H · 05-09-2008, 10:14 PM

Chikrodah, I don't know why you attacked Gregory. He is not a 1970.s Tory who wants UKIP run by celebrities. With respect you attack persons too much instead of policies.

chikrodah · 05-09-2008, 10:30 PM

David, the fact that you interpreted my question about GLF as an attack speaks volumes for the mentality of those who support the CDA viewpoint.

It was a genuine question. I have a number of friends who were linked with the Monday Club at one time or another. I don't recall suggesting that GLF was/is a 1970s Tory. My question was predicated on UKIP's latest policy as much as anything else. It seems to be exactly the sort of policy that Greg has lent support to in the past.

BTW, I'm well aware of young Greg's predilection for gathering his loyal friends to assist him in targetting those who he feels are against him. He's done it so often, you can spot the signs a mile off. Rest assured, I am not attacking his personality in any way.

david H · 05-09-2008, 11:49 PM

The question originated with me. However, I take my hat off to you for understanding my political viewpoint. You are the first to do so.

Resigned Member · 06-09-2008, 11:35 AM

So the new Chairman's policy is to shrink the party still further.Afraid he is a rather young guy without any executive experience and obviously thoroughly introduced to the corrupt behavoiur of Farage with his work in Brussels as a UKIP employee.It is a bad omen for UKIP and I expect a pretty rapid collapse now.

05-09-2008, 07:08 PM	#11 (permalink)
Jeff Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 376 Party: Free England Party	I'm quite pleased that the disjointed Dr. Whittaker has finally realised that staying with Farage is a losing game,however,I am sorely disapointed that the position has been given to Paul Nuttall without the Constitutional involvement of the Party NEC,in my opinion this is dictatorial Leadership. Mr Nuttall,is a quite able UKIPPER in my opinion,and must surely be aware that the UKIP Constitution states that the Leader of the Party may APPOINT a Chairman of the Party,but it is for the Party NEC Members to APPROVE such an appointment. The Party NEC has not been fully informed of this developement to my knowledge. Mr Nuttall,as the New Party Chairman should of been aware of this Constitutional requirement before accepting the position,and,should not of demonstrated his willingness to treat the UKIP Party NEC with utter contempt as is the constant habit of the present Party Leadership group. This move of appointing Mr Nuttall as Party Chairman, without carrying out the rules as laid down within the Constitution demonstrates that the UKIP Party Constitution is not something to be trusted in any way or form. In short,it appears that the UKIP Party Constitution means nothing at all,because it seems to be ignored by some of the Leadership group,whenever the need arises to do so. UKIP must have change,starting from the top,with the Leader,Farage being the first to go. Last edited by Jeff; 05-09-2008 at 07:12 PM.

05-09-2008, 10:07 PM	#16 (permalink)
Anthony Butcher Administrator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Long Ashton, Bristol Posts: 10,315 Party: None	It would appear that Jeff is entirely correct. The NEC doesn't meet until Monday and thus hasn't had any discussion on the choice of Chairman. This is a typical Farage dirty trick - announce something to the membership, who will applaud, and it is a fait accompli; how can the NEC disagree with the "choice" of the membership? This is also a typical Farage stupid trick - those NEC members whose nuts aren't in a jar in Farage's office will of course object strongly to being bypassed in such a cavalier manner. Hence Paul's first NEC meeting will start off with a big row and a power struggle. What a brilliant bit of leadership from Farage. It's as if he goes out of his way to upset the people he is supposed to be working with. As Jeff says, as the new Chairman, Paul will be responsible for upholding the party constitution along with the party secretary. The fact that he has willingly accepted a position without first giving the NEC a chance to debate and approve his appointment is a very poor start. Either he is unaware of the party rules or he has chosen to ignore them. Neither option is good for a Party Chairman. Going along with Farage's dirty trick doesn't make him look like he is his own man, or that he is a break from the past - in fact this is exactly how Farage announced Whittaker last time. As for Paul's message of 'you are with us or against us', it doesn't bode well. UKIP is a divided party, and run really badly. Of course members complain about problems... because there are very real problems. Telling them to shut up or get out is actually just going to make things that much worse; some people will feel too afraid to voice their criticisms and others will simply feel alienated and forced into the 'troublemakers' camp. If I was a UKIP member, I would be politely telling him to stick his message where the sun doesn't shine. Surely a more positive (and less testosterone-fuelled) message would have been "I am going to dramatically improve the way things are run in UKIP and I hope that you can get behind us!"? The whole "sweeping out the moaners" really just makes him sound like a Farage attack dog out to remove anyone who doesn't support the Cult of Farage. The last thing UKIP needs is another Farage lackey - what it needs is someone to tell Farage that he is ** at management and to take over the running of the party in a professional manner. Whether Paul can do that remains to be seen. I wish him luck. Whittaker was a terrible Chairman, so Paul, whom I have only seen good things from in the past, has a real opportunity to show how it can be done properly, but it's not a good start so far. __________________ If you care about what's in your food and where it comes from, then get it labelled! Label My Food** - http://www.labelmyfood.org.uk

05-09-2008, 10:14 PM	#17 (permalink)
david H Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,225	Chikrodah, I don't know why you attacked Gregory. He is not a 1970.s Tory who wants UKIP run by celebrities. With respect you attack persons too much instead of policies. __________________ "You think you are combatting prejudice but you are at war with nature". Edmund Burke. http://www.buchanan.org/pa-98-1127.html

05-09-2008, 11:49 PM	#19 (permalink)
david H Uber Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,225	The question originated with me. However, I take my hat off to you for understanding my political viewpoint. You are the first to do so. __________________ "You think you are combatting prejudice but you are at war with nature". Edmund Burke. http://www.buchanan.org/pa-98-1127.html

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05-09-2008, 07:13 PM	#12 (permalink)
Petrina Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: sussex Posts: 1,062	If what Jeff says is true then it is disgraceful and not the first time that the NEC`s views have not been sought on matters that they have a say in .How come GLW knew Nuttall was going to be Chairman before the NEC did ?

05-09-2008, 07:35 PM	#14 (permalink)
Petrina Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: sussex Posts: 1,062	It`s a bit rich demanding unity and discipline if you may have just achieved your chairmanship and place on the MEP list inspite of the normal rules .

05-09-2008, 07:48 PM	#15 (permalink)
chikrodah Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Midlands Posts: 1,872	I think it's safe to say that both the leadership and the membership of UKIP have spoken. UKIP wants jobs for the boys. It wants celebrities (Andreasen, Tolstoy, etc.) and old-fashioned '70s-style right wing Tories (van der Elst, Tingle, etc). It's happy to excuse poor election management and poor man-management - and remind others, if all else fails, that it's run by gallant volunteers. If you complain, if you want respect, if you want support when your area is carpetbagged by celebrities or other chosen ones - you are the problem. Your betters know more than you do and you should be grateful. Typical Tory behaviour. Typical Tory tactics. Typical 1950s - 1970s Tories. Has GLF joined yet?

05-09-2008, 10:30 PM	#18 (permalink)
chikrodah Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Midlands Posts: 1,872	David, the fact that you interpreted my question about GLF as an attack speaks volumes for the mentality of those who support the CDA viewpoint. It was a genuine question. I have a number of friends who were linked with the Monday Club at one time or another. I don't recall suggesting that GLF was/is a 1970s Tory. My question was predicated on UKIP's latest policy as much as anything else. It seems to be exactly the sort of policy that Greg has lent support to in the past. BTW, I'm well aware of young Greg's predilection for gathering his loyal friends to assist him in targetting those who he feels are against him. He's done it so often, you can spot the signs a mile off. Rest assured, I am not attacking his personality in any way.

06-09-2008, 11:35 AM	#20 (permalink)
Resigned Member Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 160	So the new Chairman's policy is to shrink the party still further.Afraid he is a rather young guy without any executive experience and obviously thoroughly introduced to the corrupt behavoiur of Farage with his work in Brussels as a UKIP employee.It is a bad omen for UKIP and I expect a pretty rapid collapse now.