Richard Allen

Aardvark, you are someone within the party whom I have immense respect for. However if you wish to pursue such a line perhaps you can explain how Beaman can be removed as top placed candidate.

As I understand it the leader can only change the list if all candidates agree.

Anthony Butcher

Firstly, it is well known that Farage gets what he wants. So questions like "how could he do it?" are largely irrelevant. In terms of the mechanism, who knows, but what about Greg having his job threatned if he didn't agree, for example? Employees are in a very vulnerable position.

The fact that Greg has resigned from his job, the MEP list and is considering leaving the party altogether suggests a very serious disagreement, which concords with the grapevine rumour that Farage had a massive strop when Paul Nuttall wasn't top of the list. All speculation of course, and as always there are two sides to it.

It may be, for example, that Farage judges Paul Nuttall to be a stronger candidate and applied pressure to rectify the situation. The voting system is extremely flawed, as we have already seen from the pro-EU, non- member, non-resident Marta Andreasson being voted into the second spot on two lists.

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AB you claim the voting system is flawed because the membership have voted into 2nd place a pro EU candidate. The members have spoken and they want a pro EU foreign non resident candidate in key position in UKerIP They also want all the existing MEPs back who are standing. The bulk of the voting membership have also voted convincingly to endorse NF and how he does things. You might not like it but thats democracy.

As they used to say in Ireland ...where you can, vote early vote often . So as regards innuendo by some re printing, if complaining MEP candidates were nieve or couldnt be bothered to satisfied themselves at the count that the marked vote register of qualifying members matched total votes and codes against each name etc and done some checks, how can they expect to be capable of being effective finders of loopholes and stirrers in the jungle of Brussels and local and national government systems in UK?

Unless proved otherwise NOW the vote must be considered fair and true and representing what members want, and that should be respected.

Jim Smith

The issue with Marta in 2nd place is that when it becomes widely known within the membership that she is pro EC the members will feel utterly duped. Many will not go and campaign and deliver in the South East.

What actually is the point of UKIP if it picks pro-EC people as candidates it makes the party a laughing stock?

SponPlague

London voters will be annoyed at wasting their votes on a candidate who wasn't eligible to stand, because her proposer had signed someone else's papers...

junius

From another Greg Watkins email. Interesting email from Chris Gill:

I gather:

Greg Beaman having reflected upon the amount of pressure brought on him to make the list compliant with Farages chosen list has resigned as Regional Organiser in disgust because now that he is no longer lead candidate as elected he can not achieve his aims politically.
Greg will be taking a couple of weeks holiday to reflect and regroup! His membership is due for renewal in October and he will consider whether to renew – (or suitable words to that effect!)

I gather it was essential for Farage to get Paul Nuttal in as top candidate regardless of democratic process and what the members voted for – I wonder if this is because he intends to ignore all concepts of democracy and put Paul in as the new chairman!! Perhaps he will boost that useless dishonest article he has as deputy leader in as chairman and put Nutall in to replace him – well it is the Farage Fiasco Party so I guess he will just ignore the members – I note since my earlier eMail they are scurrying around and the carpet baggers who were on more than one list have been put where Farage wanted them I guess!

Anyway – here is an alternative version of the truth according to Garp Gill – surprisingly unsurprisingly here is the version of his truth sent to the NEC (thanks for the copies). The public copy he quotes a period of time for the ‘extension’ he seemingly granted yet now this extension was but a fantasy. In consideration of the number of letters I am aware of that have been sent and not received answers from EUkip’s officers perhaps this poor old chap needs waking up – such standards of confusion may have been acceptable as a much passed over Tory but in a small Party where the best one can expect is some loutish bully boy threatening those who publish the truth perhaps poor old Gill has left it much too late in life to learn new skills.


From: Christopher Gill <cgill36@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Robin Page.
To:
Date: Wednesday, 3 September, 2008,

Dear Colleagues,
Let us be absolutely clear about one thing - the reason that Robin Page is not a candidate for UKIP at the forthcoming EP election is because he failed to get his application in on time in spite of being given an extended deadline in which to do so.
As a potential candidate it was entirely his responsibility to ensure that all relevant paperwork was deposited with Head Office on time - it was not !
Claims that UKIP staff made undertakings to assist him in this process, whether true or false, are entirely irrelevant - the onus was upon he himself to ensure that his application was delivered to Lexdrum House, complete, in good order and within the extended time frame allowed him.
Robin Page can fantasise about conspiracies for as long as he likes but nothing alters the fact that, in spite of having been granted extra time, he excluded himself from the selection process by his own inaction.
Robin Page had exactly the same amount of notice as all other candidates to get his application in by the close of nominations on 16th May but the plain fact of the matter is that he failed to do so, notwithstanding the leeway that he was given in which to do so.
Yours sincerely,
Christopher Gill.


Just a small example of how the Party MUST be cleaned up – to make it electable.


I understand that one of the details every candidate had to present was their voter’s registration roll number and another was that every candidate must have a proposer and no one may propose two candidates – Perhaps Christopher Gill, having dishonestly supervised this selection and failed totally in acquitting his duty even down to running away and becoming unavailable when he realised his incompetence to do the job and then presiding over a criminal breech of the Data protection Act which WILL end up with EUkip in Court in February - April next year most likely and then dishonestly misrepresenting the truth on a public Tory Forum – Perhaps he would be so good as to advise what is the Electoral Role Number of Marta Andreasen as she is a resident of Barcelona Spain and a foreign National and Tim Worstall who was domicile in Portugal. Perhaps he would explain how Lord Pearson comes to be the proposer of both candidates in breech of the rules.


I presume he will be debarring both candidates if this is true as he claims NO VARIANCE is acceptable & has debarred Robin Page for breech of the rules where in that case it was as a result of following the instructions of salaried EU/EUkip/IDG sataff working for EUkip.


Following this I presume to ensure fairness that ALL candidates running in more than one area who failed to inform the voters was in breech of the rules and will in the interests of integrity be debarred.



I understand a rigid rule of the selection process was provision of a CRB – Perhaps you can advise how Marta Andreasen provided a CRB since she is not only an alien being Danish born, Argentinian Married and a Spanish resident and thus not eligible for a CRB check.

Perhaps whilst on the subject of credibility Christopher Gill can provide proof as to who the chap known by a combination of names David Bannerman & Campbell. Please can Christopher Gill show proof of this shoddy chap has a birth certificate and that YOU have seen it and advise officially who he is BEFORE tossing him out of EUkip if he is NOT the nephew of The Late Liberal Prime Minister Campbell Bannerman or great nephew which he dishonestly and duplicitously claimed to be when he wheedled his way into EUkip having also been a notable failure in the Tories.

I feel sure the members of the Party wish to see their party made electable commencing with it being cleaned up – I presume Christopher Gill & Piers Merchant will have the integrity to resign both their office and their membership of the Party for having colluded in corruption by failing to acquit the duty they accepted and having dishonourably covered up corruption. Neither will be ANY loss to UKIP as it is essential to present integrity fr4om the top down, their behaviour has been both corrupt and dishonourable bringing the Party and its election and selection process into disrepute.





Failure to clean up the party and screwing honest people seemingly at every turn has destroyed EUkip and I doubt it can be saved but being our ONLY lifeboat at the moment we must dump the crooks & pirates who have seized it and dump them over the side then set about repairing every rotten plank if we are to survive as a Country using this lifeboat – even until a new one comes along.

Don’t hold out ANY hopes for the Tories and Declan Ganley’s Libertas Party, launched with new offices in The Belly of The Beast is no salvation as its views are 99.99% the same as the Tories – pro EU membership but try to change it from within.

Kind of ‘In The Gas Chambers But Not Inhalling’!

junius

I have just noticed that this email by Greg Watkins was posted on another thread. Sorry!

junius

Did Nigel Farage put pressure on Beaman to stand down? Beaman should have stood his ground.

Niall Warry

If he had NF would have most likely sacked him!

Nyge21

well, he resigned anyway- so there's no job anyway, but....why not stand your ground - get sacked, and then shout from the rooftops at the result? After all, a sacking would be a lot more noticeable to everyone, resignation is a bit tame!

Maybe he'll take ukip to court for failing to adhere to the election rules.

moving on.....
Marta should NOT be a candidate. She's not eligable. There's no debate. End of argument . Just get her off the list.