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Old 02-09-2008, 05:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This hit my intray, folks:

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Subject: FW: My election to the NEC
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008

Dear NEC member, Please find below a copy of my email to Dr Whittaker. This concerns my election to the NEC. As the twelfth elected NEC member I look forward to meeting you all at the next NEC meeting on 8th September.

Yours sincerely,

John West
UKIP Chairman Ipswich & East Suffolk
Secretary UKIP Suffolk Coastal
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To: john.whittaker@lancaster.ac.uk
Subject: My election to the NEC
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008

Dear Dr Whittaker,

Although I have been advised by my legal team not to post on the Democracy Forum (formerly known as the UKIP Forum) I still, however, read it on a regular basis. My attention was drawn to posts by Rob McWhirter using the name ‘Sponplague’. His two posts are included below. Both were posted on 27th August on a thread entitled ‘Another John West Letter’. I note the matter has also been placed in the public domain by Greg Lance-Watkins in his Butterflies and Caterpillars ‘Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!’ series.

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With all due respect SponPlague, and I mean that sincerely, there are 12 elected members of the NEC.

Nigel Farage, Rachel Oxley, Alan Bown and Delroy Young were elected in 2006
David Campbell Bannerman, Christopher Gill, David Abbott and Jill Seymour were elected in 2007
Douglas Denny, Lisa Duffy, Eric Edmond and Mike Zuckerman were elected in 2008.
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Ah. I checked the constitution before I originally posted, and:

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7.6 The NEC shall normally comprise of 12 members elected to the NEC, the Party Leader and Party Chairman (who may be elected members), together with two members who shall be selected in accordance with rules to be made by the NEC from time to time from among the Party's elected representatives who receive in respect of their elected position emoluments commensurate with full-time employment. The NEC may determine that there may be ex-officio members. Ex-officio members shall not have a vote.
7.7 Election to membership of the NEC shall be restricted to paid-up members of the Party in good standing. These members shall neither be paid employees of the Party nor any of the Party's elected representatives

So:

1. Whatever else, Nigel is on the NEC as party leader.
2. As an elected representative, i.e. MEP, he is not entitled to be an elected member of the NEC, which makes him one of the two elected representatives - John Whittaker is the other of these.
3. This means that the place that Nigel gained in 2006 is, or should be vacant.

All clear?

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To clarify, which I should have done earlier, Nigel was elected as NEC member and leader under the old constitution, which then was replaced. There was a transition period for the move from 15 to 12 members, but I would expect, by now, that Nigel would no longer be counted as elected member, and a new elected member found to replace him - as I say, this doesn't affect his right to be on the NEC - automatic as leader - just the fact that someone else such as John West is being denied their rightful (IMHO) place...
It now appears that I was elected to the NEC on the 20th March 2008 as I came fifth with 2,307 votes. Therefore, in accordance with the UKIP Constitution rules 7.6 and 7.7, I am the twelfth elected NEC member. In light of this revelation why have I never been invited to undertake my duties as an elected NEC member?

This failure to inform me of my election to the NEC is clearly another example of the total failure of UKIP’s leadership to act in accordance with our own written constitution. I look forward to hearing the reason for your failure, both to adhere to the UKIP Constitution and to formally invite me to take my elected place on the NEC. I also look forward to receiving details of the next NEC meeting as I fully intend to take my seat on September 8th in order to fight for openness, accountability and democracy within our Party.

I also understand from material in open circulation that Lisa Duffy may be ineligible to sit on the NEC as she gained election dishonestly by misleading the voters as she failed to state that she is the cohabite of a staff member thus technically precluded as being one and the same as a member of staff and clearly precluded as having failed to inform members of this vital fact.

I have sent a copy of this email to all members of the NEC and other members of the leadership of UKIP because as to date you have failed to acquit your duty in responding to my email correspondence. I also note that the Party Secretary likewise seems to have little understanding of his responsibilities under law.

Yours sincerely,
John West

UKIP Chairman Ipswich & East Suffolk
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I'm not convinced that anybody could claim that a spouse or significant other of a staff member is ineligible to stand for election, assuming they qualify in all other aspects.

What section of the UKIP NEC election rules is John referring to with that supposition?
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Old 02-09-2008, 06:55 PM   #3 (permalink)
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So was my vote wasted or not?
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Who did you vote for, Bett? John or Lisa?
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This is a democracy; my vote was secret, but I'd like to know who is on the NEC.
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Spon ditto my comment elsewhere
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Bob FM, you've made over 1000 posts, give us a clue as to which comment you are saying ditto to.
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I do tend to comment on the thread I am on.
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Bett Nwar, I am sorry you do not seem to be able to keep up.
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