Question NEC leaks

Richard Allen · 23-08-2008, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by douglas denny

MINOR obstacle you say? For all the other candidates in a list to unanimously agree?

I thought that my sarcasm was pretty obvious.

Richard Allen · 23-08-2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoffrey Collier

Dougals D: Just seen your last posting. The MEP selctions process was entrusted to Christopher Gill, who failed for want of competence in those duties. You are like the perpetual 'excuse-machine'. Remember, this is not our first MEP selection process; excuses like, 'we'll do better next time', no longer suffice.

Perhaps you tell exactly what Christopher Gill did or did not do that indicates a lack of competence on his part. Any problems with the actual election is a matter for the RO not for Mr Gill.

Bob FM · 23-08-2008, 06:25 PM

Richard for goodness sake do not post simple facts on here it is not appreciated.

Geoffrey Collier · 23-08-2008, 09:13 PM

Richard Ellen: He went on holiday for a start. The problems are not with the Returning Officer. Piers Merchant has had to deal with an incompetent mess which he inherited from Gill. The printers, and the material to be printed, had nothing to do with Merchant.
Presumably you do accept that this is not our first election?

douglas denny · 23-08-2008, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard Allen

I thought that my sarcasm was pretty obvious.

I'm quite dim sometimes. Or insensitive. Don't know which.
I admit it.

DED.

douglas denny · 23-08-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SponPlague

Are the NEC Laputians, Doug? Gulliver recorded:

'Gulliver's Travels' is a very good metaphor for human society.
I believe it was meant to be.

All the sillyness, pettyness and stupidity of humanity is there. Brobdignagians fighting with Lilliputians over which end of an egg to cut open for example ........
Just like Russia and Georgia ....
Or, with political parties and their differences -
- like whether to be in the EU or not.......

Brilliant satire - before 'satire' was invented.

Everyone should read it.

DED.
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SponPlague · 24-08-2008, 12:09 AM

Will you be suggesting the party adopt "A modest proposal" as famine policy?

mrabody · 24-08-2008, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SponPlague

Will you be suggesting the party adopt "A modest proposal" as famine policy?

There is this, updated version.

It's even worse than the original... the author advocates eating family pets!!!!

This is why I have come to believe that what Canadians need most at this moment in our history is a good famine.

By "famine", I do not mean those 24-hour fruit-juice-sipping adventures in group narcissism devoted to curing the problems of that continent-wide parade of dysfunction known as "Africa." No, what I have in mind is a proper food shortage of the depth and duration that drives the creative homemaker to taste test the wallpaper glue, while contemplating which of the $3,000 Labradoodles goes first into the stew pot.

"Dig deep, darling. The pup's at the bottom."

mrabody · 24-08-2008, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by douglas denny

Not so Raymond.
You are suggesting a deliberate pre-arranged agenda by someone to do that - which is silly.
It is a simple c@ck-up in that was not foreseen before the arrangements had been made.

What was thought to be good cast-iron arrangements (usually incorporating corrections to the previous errors experienced in previous elections) was brought before the NEC for discussion/amendments - and none of these problems was seen then, so it was passed. It has not been challenged before to the best of my knowledge, for example, about overseas members wanting their voting rights allowed for. And here we are seeing a fundamental problem before us and not being able to do anything about it now for the usual legal difficulties if you tried to amend the set-up now.

In every election I have witnessed there have been anomalies which have cropped-up and caused some problem or other. It seems to be par for the course. Regrettable, but there we are. All one can do is "better next time".

DED.
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Yes but when one is asked to pay £250 up front and a further £800 if selected, it would be reasonable to assume that everything possible should be done to prevent "****-ups", because needless to say in such circumstances "we will do better next time" is pretty weak.

douglas denny · 24-08-2008, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mrabody

Yes but when one is asked to pay £250 up front and a further £800 if selected, it would be reasonable to assume that everything possible should be done to prevent "****-ups", because needless to say in such circumstances "we will do better next time" is pretty weak.

The point I was trying to make - which appears to be unsuccessfully received - is precisely that everything IS done to try to make things run smoothly, (do you think we want problems ..?); but at every election something crops-up to throw a spanner in the works.

When it is late in the day near the end of the election to correct it; and there are legal implications if you try (lawyers again !!); and the costs are already astronomical, (do you know how much it is just to do a single mailshot to all the members? - let alone get ballot papers printed etc?)
..... it is all very well saying "stop the election and do it again" - or, "I could run off a few hundred pages on my printer and solve the problem".
Get real !

We do what we can, and get on with it. That is the only way otherwise it just runs into the sands.

DED.
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P.S. Oh, and incidentally, if you do not like paying the money ..... then don't enter the contest. (Heat and kitchens!?)
I didn't. Partly because I could not afford it.

DED.

View Poll Results: Should people email the NEC given they are known to leak?
Yes, they are the party's highest body, and must be kept in the loop	7	36.84%
No, they leak like a sieve which only damages the party	3	15.79%
The NEC are irrelevant, so who cares?	9	47.37%
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23-08-2008, 06:25 PM	#23 (permalink)
Bob FM Uber Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: South Marston Swindon Posts: 2,150	Richard for goodness sake do not post simple facts on here it is not appreciated.

23-08-2008, 09:13 PM	#24 (permalink)
Geoffrey Collier Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,323	Richard Ellen: He went on holiday for a start. The problems are not with the Returning Officer. Piers Merchant has had to deal with an incompetent mess which he inherited from Gill. The printers, and the material to be printed, had nothing to do with Merchant. Presumably you do accept that this is not our first election?

24-08-2008, 12:09 AM	#27 (permalink)
SponPlague Uber Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Zurich Posts: 3,400	Will you be suggesting the party adopt "A modest proposal" as famine policy?