News: Ballot paper arrives

Aardvark · 04-08-2008, 11:57 AM

Just received my ballot paper to vote on EU candidates.

The system is not FPTP, but is based on a system of one whole vote for first preference, half a vote for second, a third of a vote for number 3 etc. up to a maximum of 10 in the SE. I shall use all 10 places so that I can exclude my 3 definite non-preferences.

Raymond Finch · 04-08-2008, 12:30 PM

In related news, my election website is now live.

Ray Finch - Fighting For Our Future!

This has been a public service announcement.

;-)

Barboo · 04-08-2008, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aardvark

Just received my ballot paper to vote on EU candidates.

As there has been a breach of the selection rules which will result in some members' votes being wasted, the ballot is clearly invalid.

The rules as published on the party website state:

quote
Candidates may apply to two regions, but this must be disclosed to both regional panels (and to members in the regions if any candidates make it to more than one shortlist).
ends

Two SE candidates - Marta Andreasen and Victor Webb - appear also on the shortlist for London Region, but this has not been disclosed to SE members. These candidates, if elected to both final lists, will have to withdraw from one or the other as European parliament election rules prohibit candidates from standing in more than one electoral region. Some members who vote for these candidates in ignorance of the fact that they may be forced to withdraw, will thus have their votes wasted.

Raymond Finch · 04-08-2008, 01:26 PM

I heard a rumour that Mrs. Andreasen was standing in another region but did not know Mr. Webb was doing so. I had heard a rumour another, named, candidate was standing elsewhere.

Perhaps the information is on the OS?

Aardvark · 04-08-2008, 01:29 PM

Hmmm. Thanks Barboo, I think. I was going to put Victor Webb in my top 10, but down the list a bit. I can't think why anybody would be voting for a pro-EU non-resident foreigner anyway.

I will vote, but it is important, Barboo that you raise this matter with the returning officer, Piers Merchant.

Barboo · 04-08-2008, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond Finch

I heard a rumour that Mrs. Andreasen was standing in another region but did not know Mr. Webb was doing so. I had heard a rumour another, named, candidate was standing elsewhere.

Perhaps the information is on the OS?

OS?

According to the shortlist published at <http://www.ukip.org/ukip/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=697&Item id=63> six candidates appear on more than one list:

Lynette Afshar in EM and WM
Stephen Allison in EM and NE
Ralph Atkinson in EM and London
Marta Andreasen in London and SE
Victor Webb in London and SE
Paul Wiffen in Wales and Scotland

Barboo · 04-08-2008, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aardvark

I will vote, but it is important, Barboo that you raise this matter with the returning officer, Piers Merchant.

Do you have an e-mail address for him, please?

Aardvark · 04-08-2008, 01:41 PM

I don't, but I think he should be contactable through mail@ukip.org as that is the e-mail on his letter.

Raymond Finch · 04-08-2008, 01:45 PM

OS = Official site.

Sorry for lack of clarity.

Geoffrey Collier · 04-08-2008, 01:50 PM

Has anyone been able to bring these selection irregularities to the attention of Christopher Gill, or is he still on holiday? Not for the first time, we have serious faults with our election procedure; apart from the additional cost, it makes public our incompetence. Is this not conclusive evidence that we should only allow the Electoral Reform Service (Society) to organise our important party elections?

When these voting forms were printed, did they not at first print a few, 'proof copies'
for the approval of the Political Committee? Surely we didn't print the full number without first confirming the accuracy of the information?

04-08-2008, 11:57 AM	#1 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 4,255	Ballot paper arrives Just received my ballot paper to vote on EU candidates. The system is not FPTP, but is based on a system of one whole vote for first preference, half a vote for second, a third of a vote for number 3 etc. up to a maximum of 10 in the SE. I shall use all 10 places so that I can exclude my 3 definite non-preferences. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

04-08-2008, 01:29 PM	#5 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 4,255	Hmmm. Thanks Barboo, I think. I was going to put Victor Webb in my top 10, but down the list a bit. I can't think why anybody would be voting for a pro-EU non-resident foreigner anyway. I will vote, but it is important, Barboo that you raise this matter with the returning officer, Piers Merchant. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

04-08-2008, 01:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 4,255	I don't, but I think he should be contactable through mail@ukip.org as that is the e-mail on his letter. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

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04-08-2008, 12:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
Raymond Finch Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 515	In related news, my election website is now live. Ray Finch - Fighting For Our Future! This has been a public service announcement. ;-)

04-08-2008, 01:26 PM	#4 (permalink)
Raymond Finch Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 515	I heard a rumour that Mrs. Andreasen was standing in another region but did not know Mr. Webb was doing so. I had heard a rumour another, named, candidate was standing elsewhere. Perhaps the information is on the OS?

04-08-2008, 01:45 PM	#9 (permalink)
Raymond Finch Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 515	OS = Official site. Sorry for lack of clarity.

04-08-2008, 01:50 PM	#10 (permalink)
Geoffrey Collier Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,323	Has anyone been able to bring these selection irregularities to the attention of Christopher Gill, or is he still on holiday? Not for the first time, we have serious faults with our election procedure; apart from the additional cost, it makes public our incompetence. Is this not conclusive evidence that we should only allow the Electoral Reform Service (Society) to organise our important party elections? When these voting forms were printed, did they not at first print a few, 'proof copies' for the approval of the Political Committee? Surely we didn't print the full number without first confirming the accuracy of the information?