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tamashi · 09-08-2008, 10:56 AM

Well it seems obvious that you have your views and I have mine. There is therefore not much point in continuing the debate. Have a nice day.

Aardvark · 09-08-2008, 11:00 AM

st athan,

Assuming you are a candidate who has worked hard in south Wales (you are very passionate about this) where do you hope to come on the Welsh list?

stathan · 09-08-2008, 12:57 PM

Well I am very passionate about this, to be honest it has been one of my hobby horses for quite some time, I absolutely despise the ....Turn up declaring an all abiding passion to represent an area never to be seen again merchants....

I well remember Walter Sweeny pitching up in my constituency 20 odd years ago having no association with the area and standing for the Conservatives having just failed to be accepted for a constituency in the West Country a few weeks previously..since being voted out of course he disappeared from the area and ironically pitched up in the recent Haltemprice election.

I was disgusted that someone could just tout themselves around the country at the time until finding some mugs to take them on and I'm still disgusted to this day.

If there are no local candidates then I feel that it's fair enough to search for a ' professional wannabe politician with no passion for their own area'

As regards the Euro candidacy I am on the list but would have to point out that my distaste for what is going on is fuelled by my views above rather than personal self interest. Realistically we will do well to gain one seat in Wales and we have one outstanding candidate in my view who absolutely works his socks of for UKIP in Wales (not myself) and the thought that somebody who does not reside in Wales, has never helped in Wales is not known to anybody in Wales, never bothered turning up for any of the 3 hustings could displace that candidate through the vagaries of a mainly unsuspecting uninformed party membership in a postal ballot in which all the facts regarding dual entries on lists has not been made clear is quite clearly unacceptable in my view.

It's not a matter of parochialism or a candidates nationality which doesn't matter in the least to me ( the Welsh chairman is a proud Yorkshireman) it's a matter of commitment, regional knowledge and without a doubt the principle of residing in the region in point.

komerad · 09-08-2008, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stathan

As regards the Euro candidacy I am on the list but would have to point out that my distaste for what is going on is fuelled by my views above rather than personal self interest. Realistically we will do well to gain one seat in Wales and we have one outstanding candidate in my view who absolutely works his socks of for UKIP in Wales (not myself) and the thought that somebody who does not reside in Wales, has never helped in Wales is not known to anybody in Wales, never bothered turning up for any of the 3 hustings could displace that candidate through the vagaries of a mainly unsuspecting uninformed party membership in a postal ballot in which all the facts regarding dual entries on lists has not been made clear is quite clearly unacceptable in my view.

It's not a matter of parochialism or a candidates nationality which doesn't matter in the least to me ( the Welsh chairman is a proud Yorkshireman) it's a matter of comittment, regional knowledge and without a doubt the principle of residing in the region in point.

stathan -Very well stated - I'm in complete agreement - we already have an excellent candidate. We don't need no carpetbaggers

Aardvark · 09-08-2008, 02:49 PM

st athan, I fully understand and appreciate your views. I have highlighted, elsewhere on the forum, my opinion on carpetbaggers who have no loyalty to an area turning up there because they think their vote would be bigger or their personal profile better, but have no intention of doing any work.

09-08-2008, 11:00 AM	#112 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 4,255	st athan, Assuming you are a candidate who has worked hard in south Wales (you are very passionate about this) where do you hope to come on the Welsh list? __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

09-08-2008, 12:57 PM	#113 (permalink)
stathan Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 423	Well I am very passionate about this, to be honest it has been one of my hobby horses for quite some time, I absolutely despise the ....Turn up declaring an all abiding passion to represent an area never to be seen again merchants.... I well remember Walter Sweeny pitching up in my constituency 20 odd years ago having no association with the area and standing for the Conservatives having just failed to be accepted for a constituency in the West Country a few weeks previously..since being voted out of course he disappeared from the area and ironically pitched up in the recent Haltemprice election. I was disgusted that someone could just tout themselves around the country at the time until finding some mugs to take them on and I'm still disgusted to this day. If there are no local candidates then I feel that it's fair enough to search for a ' professional wannabe politician with no passion for their own area' As regards the Euro candidacy I am on the list but would have to point out that my distaste for what is going on is fuelled by my views above rather than personal self interest. Realistically we will do well to gain one seat in Wales and we have one outstanding candidate in my view who absolutely works his socks of for UKIP in Wales (not myself) and the thought that somebody who does not reside in Wales, has never helped in Wales is not known to anybody in Wales, never bothered turning up for any of the 3 hustings could displace that candidate through the vagaries of a mainly unsuspecting uninformed party membership in a postal ballot in which all the facts regarding dual entries on lists has not been made clear is quite clearly unacceptable in my view. It's not a matter of parochialism or a candidates nationality which doesn't matter in the least to me ( the Welsh chairman is a proud Yorkshireman) it's a matter of commitment, regional knowledge and without a doubt the principle of residing in the region in point. Last edited by stathan; 09-08-2008 at 01:08 PM.

09-08-2008, 02:49 PM	#115 (permalink)
Aardvark Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Oxonia Posts: 4,255	st athan, I fully understand and appreciate your views. I have highlighted, elsewhere on the forum, my opinion on carpetbaggers who have no loyalty to an area turning up there because they think their vote would be bigger or their personal profile better, but have no intention of doing any work. __________________ When in Woking do as the Wokes do. "I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008 Last edited by Aardvark; 09-08-2008 at 02:57 PM.

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09-08-2008, 10:56 AM	#111 (permalink)
tamashi Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 523	Well it seems obvious that you have your views and I have mine. There is therefore not much point in continuing the debate. Have a nice day.