HM

Right... and the BNP doesn't have website problems?! It can't decide whether the EU is Nazi, fascist or communist and calls a guy with the SS Lebensborn project's logo on his arm "decent". It contains frequent typos and appears to employ a potty-trained baboon called Chris Jackson to copy and paste whatever news stories take his fancy and then make sarcastic comments in big bold lettering. Also it is auctioning off pictures of Griffin's face to all those Fuehrer lovers out there. But I digress.

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Why mention the BNP? The thread is about good news for UKIP, or lack of it, and that is partly the fault in the way in which the UKIP website is run. Compared to the BNP website, UKIP's is amateurish.

As for the life rune, it is also a Saxon symbol that is available as a charm from a company called "Tumbling Woods". Your obsession with it as Nazi symbol is illogical and typical of the sort of rubbish that Searchlight harp on about. They don't mind anyone else using symbolism that depicts their own national ethnic group, but because of the failure of a pan German national party, it becomes a taboo if used by English people.

Get a grip on focus on REAL issues, not media trivia.

HM

Because you're a BNP supporter so I thought I'd make something of the double standards you seem fond of. He is a BNP member and since the BNP are supposed to shy away from Nazi symbolism, he shouldn't have permanently marked himself with it. And yes, UKIP's website is pretty awful at the moment but I have faith that the new one will be improved. But even if it is I just know that you will be negative and make nothing but complaints about it. I believe the phrase is "green with envy".

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No, wrong, I am not green with envy at all. I have no reason whatsoever for wanting UKIP to fail. On the subject of Europe at the very least, I would welcome almost ANY party that took us out of Europe, assuming that the public supported it sufficiently. Therein lies the problem. UKIP is not predisposed anymore to fully exploit what the general public appears to increasingly want, and for that purpose, at present at least, it is the BNP that is taking the lead. Until electoral results indicate otherwise, there is little point is argument on the relative pros and cons of each party.

I could not support UKIP solely because of it stance on Europe as the party appears to be totally lacking in any sense of ideological direction, and in that it is essentially losing out to the other parties because it is EXACTLY what they seem to have.

As for what you call Nazi symbolism, let us get this right. The Nazis exploited a Nordic symbolic heritage that has been tainted deliberately by the writers of historical tales and those who are in essence at odds with the German expansionist nationalism of the Third Reich.

Don't you ever find it surprising that communist symbolism is NEVER attacked or banned from use, despite its equally barbaric association with violence, death and human misery? Why are you so obsessed with what is still largely a symbol/s of north European heritage?

How many people have been (and probably still are) murdered and butchered by the Christian cross, the Islamic crescent moon, ed infinitum?

HM

...except for being supporter of a party trying to pilfer UKIP's votes and members.

Please expand on this.

Their leadership and candidates are composed of criminals, neo-Nazis and blundering fools. Hence I strongly deny what you are claiming.

Ah, I see. I believe the phrase is "jumping on the bandwagon".

No. It is because people think it is a one-issue party unfit to represent them locally. The party's ideology is libertarian and their views on Europe stem directly from the wish to have less state involvement in citizens' lives.

Cass used it to show solidarity with a white power group. It was intentional use of it with reference to Nazism and white supremacism.

I do actually find it very surprising. I disapprove of those idiots who go around in hammer-and-sickle or Che Guevara T-shirts very strongly. And I am not obsessed with the life rune or with Nick Cass. I was simply pointing out what the BNP class as "decent", which is probably not in the mainstream decency-classification log.

Many thousands. Those religions are harmful and spread hate probably more than the BNP will ever do.

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I do not jump on bandwagons, even though it oft appears that members of the public do. I have been involved in politics over the last 30 years, and more recently, for the past 11 years, when I first joined UKIP, and remained active with them for 4 years until disgraceful behaviour by certain UKIP members forced me to abandon the dictatorial and totally undemocratic way the party has in dealing with things, matters which caused much consternation locally.

The "criminals, neo-Nazis, and blundering fools" retort is one of childish name calling and for what it is worth, it is amazing just how many people seem to support these very same people. Perhaps large numbers of the public are in fact also, criminals, neo-Nazis and, it seem, blundering fools. It does not stop them from voting or being allowed to vote. Neither does it seem to stop UKIP from trying to attract the very same voters with talks of controlling immigration. If there was ever a case of jumping on a bandwagon, it has been UKIP's response to BNP success over the last 4-6 years.

If leaders of the BNP have a criminal past, so what? It is in the past, and as far as I am concerned was of a political nature. I have no problem with people resorting to violence against those who violently wish to stop them achieving their aims. I have seen it at first hand, and if someone gets a "record" because they stood up for what they believe, then so be it.

If you think taking this country back is going to be a walk in the park with nice flowers hanging from people's heads then you really are delusional. It is going to be a bitter struggle, and there will be no place for wimps and ponces who have nothing better to do that moan about those willing to take direct action. It may come to that far sooner than you care to think about.

And what is wrong with white power? Why should the promotion of white power in a historically white country be any more reprehensible than black power in a black nation? The fact that it is unfortunately associated with neo Nazis does not make it any less necessary or essential, which it almost certainly is.

As for your comment about religions, I had to read that several times to realise what you actually said. In essence, you admit that Christianity and Islam are more dangerous than the BNP! That is a cracker and I will enjoy telling as many people as I can of this subtle admission your part!

As for Cass, I do not know him or his family personally, but apart from the existence of the symbol on his body, what exactly has he done wrong? He admits to having a symbol that has been used by the Nazis, that is it.

Funny, I also heard the Nazis used the Christian cross, and probably the Celtic cross for all I know at various times and places. Big deal! To suggest someone is not decent solely for wearing a symbol that has connotations with evil in the past does not make that person evil per se, does it? Or perhaps you have other evidence to show that Cass is some sort of mad fraudster or some such other evil individual?

The BNP's interpretation of decent is vastly better than anything the opposition can come up with, and you only have to see that when they organise a counter demo against the BNP; what a rag bag band of degenerates and misfits that proclaim superiority to that of native British people. I have as yet never been to a BNP rally or meeting which has never indicated anything other than a shared sense of right and wrong or that of wanting to belong to a common and decently run society. If you believe otherwise, then you exist in a private world of self inflicted bias.

If that is the best you can do then it is pathetic.

HM

Fair enough then.

I'm pretty sure that has yet to be proven.

Well I do believe that there is a problem with neo-Nazis or ex-violent criminals running the country. As I've said before; if Hitler stopped the butchering of Jews and apologised for what he'd done, then setting up a new liberal party, would you just forgive and embrace him?

"The electors of Millwall did not back a postmodernist rightist party, but what they perceived to be a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan 'Defend Rights for Whites' with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate." —Nick Griffin

We are a multiracial society now who ought to be based on peace and equality in my opinion, united as British people.

Yes I am against many of the ideas of several large religions. Please do spread it around, it is one of by basic philosophies.

You may call my ideas pathetic. My simple belief that people of different races ought to be treated the same, that one religion ought not to be exalted over others when they are all against peace and equality and that people should have more rights and less government. But I see no faults in what I believe and, as the BNP want whites to have more rights than ethnic minorities and loudly peddle their Christianity I think I am best suited in my "pathetic" little drain to fight my corner.

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And back on to topic....
Obviously it is a busy time for the two of you in the press office, but surely the whole party can't come to a standstill because of the website? I presume that the press office is managing this... would it not be possible to use one officer to do the website and the other to manage the promotion of the party...?

And what about the MEPs and regional staff? Are they not capable between them of producing a single news item in the last nine days? What are those full time 'political advisors' doing if not assisting MEPs to get publicity in the run up to the EU elections?

It seems a pretty poor excuse, and it doesn't seem to be the fault of the press office.

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People like Peter Cole, for example. The man who admitted that he gave idle gossip and lies to Daniel Foggo.[/quote]

ANNABELLE, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FROM WHERE YOU OBTAINED THIS INFORMATION, I HAVE NEVER ADMITTED TO GIVING DANIEL FOGGO ANY GOSSIP OR LIES, IN FACT I HAVE NEVER SPOKEN TO THE MAN. YOU WILL RETRACT THIS STATEMENT BY 10AM MONDAY 21ST JULY 2008 OR I WILL HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE OTHER THAN TO CONSULT MY LEGAL TEAM.

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Peterc wrote, quoting Annabelle: "People like Peter Cole...admitted...lying to Daniel Foggo".

REPLY: Yes, a libel, if untrue. If he did tell lies to Daniel Foggo, then it is not a libel. Mind you, if it is a simple libel, Peterc, I would recommend a simple complaint to the administrators, or failing that to the hosters. At £150 per hour plus 17.5% V.A.T., solicitors are pretty expensive these days

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