johnwest

As the press have contacted me I wish to make the following statement.

Evidence has been given to me of alleged criminal activity at the office of Jeffrey Titford MEP. These allegations involve both financial irregularities and alleged offences under the Computer Misuse Act 1990.

As a law-abiding citizen I had no choice but to contact the police. I cannot turn a blind eye to allegations of corruption involving senior members of the party.

I have also been provided with information about David Campbell Bannerman, Deputy Leader of the UK Independence Party. This information concerns allegations of bribery involving both Mr Bannerman and another member of the party. These allegations were passed on to both Mr Christopher Gill and Dr John Whittaker of the UK Independence Party. Neither of whom have seen fit to acknowledge my complaints.

I have no further comments to make at this time.

John West, Chairman UKIP Ipswich & East Suffolk
UKIP PPC Ipswich North & Suffolk Central

Aardvark

Luckily for some people on here the Computer Misuse Act doesn't cover signing on under multiple aliases and spreading malicious gossip. Half the posters would be in serious trouble.

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Hartlepool

Do you mean that a home with several people in it should only have one of them signing in Aardvark?

If so,how could this be monitored?

Of course,10 people could log on as one person,just the same as 1 person could log on as 10 people.

What are you saying?

Hartlepool

John,IMHO,I think you did the right thing by reporting this.

Peterc

Is this really true?? I spoke to Mr Gulleford from the Chlmsford office yesterday evening and he assured me than there was NOT any investigations taking place!!

Anthony Butcher

John, obviously it is impossible for anyone here to comment on the allegations... since you haven't actually provided any details. I am not sure that it is the best course of action to make such vague claims; it is quite unfair on those you are accusing. Either you should print the full details so that they can counter them, or not publish them at all. As it is you are accusing several people of illegal and/or undesirable behaviour without providing any substance.

If I posted 'There are serious allegations of John West being involved in something really seedy that the press are interested in', you would be demanding that I substantiate it or retract it.

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Anthony Butcher

Just because he reported it doesn't mean that the police are taking it seriously or investigating.

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Hartlepool

John,I notice you informed an NEC Member Christopher Gill,did you inform any other NEC Members,if not,will you be doing so?

Aardvark

H,

Indeed several people at one address would end up sharing an IP. There might actually be many people using my log in details or I might have several identities; I have used hundreds of IPs in a dozen countries apparently.

Why 5 people in one house would all be UKIP members beats me, it it is possible. What really confuses me is why several people from one house should make the same spelling and grammar mistakes or use the same argot and why their views should be so much in synchronicity with each other. My family was never like that.

I have noticed 3 BNP members sharing an IP on one occasion, but they gave 'real' e-mail addresses on sign in and were using the names of known individuals from the same area. The way they debated a point also suggested people in sympathy, but not total agreement, with each other's views. They were obviously having a night in front of the forum and probably had a couple of wets as well.

It is, however, relatively easy to identify some of the clumsier attempts to use a couple of aliases to push certain points. At the end of the day the Brussels crowd either appear as belgacom IPs if they are at home or as EU server IPs if they are at work. Some are easily identifiable and post openly so it is easy to compare IPs - gawain, gc, Bellatrix are known, named individuals who share a number of EU IPs. Other people work in the same offices and it is possible to link their aliases. Often people posting certain information become identifiable even if they use an alias as there are only certain sources for that information.

It's not an exact science, but it is possible to link people to each other, unless they are AOL. AOL has a limited stock of IPs and frequently 15-20 people from around the country are linked to one IP. It is easier to identify trolling by individuals who have few posts. There have been a number of recent posters all supporting one line of debate and all linked to about 3 IPs. Those of us who have thousands of posts have exhausted the IPs of our providers so I am linked to many btinternet users who have also made a lot of posts.

If the law has been broken then it makes sense for an activist, who has a high profile on law and order, to report the matter to the police. It is important, however, that the press involvement is limited whilst the matter is sub judice. Talking amongst ourselves is one thing, but publishing allegations that haven't been tested in court is another matter, as a person involved in the law and order conference will know. The post carefully uses the word allegations, but is on the limit of acceptability as named individuals, who might wish to deny those allegations, have not been made aware of it.

If a complaint is made the thread will disappear.

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Tom Wilde

A certain sock-puppet called Eagle claimed on this forum a few weeks back that Jeffrey Titford was being 'investigated' by the police and OLAF. I take it that these are the same allegations referred to by John West above?

An ill wind for Mr Titford?

This thread describes the nature of the allegations, but also see the thread below:

Mr Titford and OLAF

In the second of these threads, the sockpuppet eventually said:

There is a sleazy old political trick whereby person Y makes unfounded (or very weakly founded) complaints to police about a political rival (call him X), and then spreads the rumour to the press and the political community that "person X is the subject of a police inquiry". I believe a rival party employed this against UKIP's candidate in Boston after the last election, and managed to generate the satisfying headline that the candidate was being 'investigated' for 'irregularities in election spending'. Needless to say, nothing further was ever heard about the 'investigation', but that wasn't the point. The point was to leave an impression in the minds of the voters.

The technical name for this manoeuvre is "wasting police time".

Given the lively puppet theatre we've been seeing on this forum over recent weeks, I can't help wondering if something similar may be happening here. I just hope that John West isn't being taken advantage of by somebody trying to perpetrate this kind of scam.