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Old 15-07-2008, 10:48 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Let's hope there is no truth in these terrible allegations.

I have been personally assured these accusations are completely and totally unfounded.

They are so ridiculous and factually inaccurate that I'd be careful if were he about spreading such erroneous information about. The parties to the libel (which in law includes this forum incidentally for promulgating it without checking if indeed factual) - could all end up being party to a serious libel case.

I would retract fast if I were he.

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Old 16-07-2008, 12:02 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I have been personally assured these accusations are completely and totally unfounded.

They are so ridiculous and factually inaccurate that I'd be careful if were he about spreading such erroneous information about. The parties to the libel (which in law includes this forum incidentally for promulgating it without checking if indeed factual) - could all end up being party to a serious libel case.

I would retract fast if I were he.

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I am not a lawyer but I see nothing in the opening post that could be considered libel. Mr West makes clear that these are accusations (he makes no comment on their accuracy) so it is only libel if the accusations do not exist.
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Old 16-07-2008, 12:11 AM   #23 (permalink)
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I am not a lawyer but I see nothing in the opening post that could be considered libel. Mr West makes clear that these are accusations (he makes no comment on their accuracy) so it is only libel if the accusations do not exist.

Not so. It is a libel. Ask the tame layer on here - Petrina.

Libel - A statement damaging to a person's reputation deliberately reducing him/her in the eyes of his peers.

Trying to get away with saying it is the responsibility of a third-party is not a defence. Just publishing it can be considered libelous (and malicious) if the statement/rumour is damaging.

Making it so public, and in such a manner as the title: A statement to UKIP members and the Press drawing attention to it, makes it all the more libelous.

It is clearly damaging too in smearing him in the run-up to the MEP hustings/elections. (Is this why it appeared one wonders?)

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Not so. It is a libel. Ask the tame layer on here - Petrina.

Libel - A statement damaging to a person's reputation deliberately reducing him/her in the eyes of his peers.

Trying to get away with saying it is the responsibility of a third-party is not a defence. Just publishing it can be considered libelous (and malicious) if the statement/rumour is damaging.

Making it so public, and in such a manner as the title: A statement to UKIP members and the Press drawing attention to it, makes it all the more libelous.

It is clearly damaging too in smearing him in the run-up to the MEP hustings/elections. (Is this why it appeared one wonders?)

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Of course it is.

I have some experience in this field...
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Douglas: Would you like to name the individual who gave you the assurance that the accusations are unfounded? Another point, you have always counseled against resorting to litigation; have you now a better opinion of lawyers than that held by you previously?

My sources assure me that the accusations are multi-dimensional, and are being investigated by the police on the basis of primary-source information passed to them: not a rumour, gossip or anything similar, but documented accusations. The press also are acting of their own volition to secure more details.

I think that we can safely leave this one to develop, without too much help from the speculators.
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Thanks for the explanation Aardvark.

I think the way John West made the opening post on here was sensible and non accusary and was used just to give notice regarding him being contacted by the press.

I believe I would have done the same as he did,placing it out in the open,rather than being accused of witholding anything later on,as can happen.
Actually, it looks defamatory to me.

Well done. Let's all damage the party in the run up to the Euros.

I have some pretty interesting footage at my disposal which would make entertaining watching but I don't do anything with it.
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Good for you John West! It must have taken a lot of courage to do what you had to do. If you are presented with evidence of criminal activity you must report it the police. No doubt Farage and co will seek to get you thrown out of the party for this.

"All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing". Edmund Burke
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Actually, it looks defamatory to me.

Well done. Let's all damage the party in the run up to the Euros.

I have some pretty interesting footage at my disposal which would make entertaining watching but I don't do anything with it.

Like Clive Page damaged the party when it was revealed he was a benefit cheat?
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