harryaldridge

I don;t think the leafle tis particularly good. It wont reach out to those we need to convert. It bangs the EU "power grab" drum again which makes us look paranoid.

However, it is not totally the fault of UKIP. Alan Bown will only pay for leaflets which he has personally designed/approved, from what I have heard before now. So really we don;t have much choice since he is the one stumping up the cash. What we need is more big donors who will back other leaflets and ideas.

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mrabody

Jonathan Arnott can get leaflets printed quite cheaply (£90 for 5000 A3 colour on cardstock) Just present him with your ideas and see what you can come up with.

prober

For years there has been nothing to stop UKIP as part of a plan having on line a portfolio of quality leaflets regularly updated to be topical for branches to download and get printed or use John A. It doesnt depend on Bown .

aarable

I agree with Anthony Butcher that EU membership does not cost £39/day - he writes: 'Britain does not pay £39 per day to Brussels' (I assume he means 39 million / day, or
14 bn / annum), it is much, much more.

An issue of eurofacts published as long ago as July, 2004 quoted an independent study which calculated membership cost, then, £100bn per annum. It would be much greater now.

I Quote:

'EU membership 'costs Britain £100 bn every year'

'An independent cost-benefit analysis shows that membership of the European Union may cost more than the NHS

'The Government's reluctance to order an inquiry into the costs of membership - and its decision to block such an attempt by members of the House of Lords earlier this year - have become more explicable in the light of a study of the economic implications of Britain's membership of the European Union by Ian Milne, the founder editor of eurofacts and a frequent contributor to its columns.

The results of the study, A Cost Too Far? published by Civitas, the London-based think-tank, suggests that the costs are huge - and are likely to grow. Using government statistics the study suggests that the current recurring annual direct net cost to the UK of EU membership is likely to range between three and five per cent of GDP with a "most likely" figure of four per cent, equivalent to £40 billion a year - i.e £ 13 billion more than is spent on national defence, and roughly equal to the combined excise duties on drink, fuel and tobacco. Of this £40 billion an estimated £20 billion is the direct net annual cost of EU regulation.

A further £ 15 billion is the direct net cost to the UK of the Common Agricultural Policy, while another £5 billion is Britain's net contribution to the EU budget. According to the study, the heavy burden of direct net economic cost will not get lighter; at best it will not get worse. The more likely scenario is that the net cost of being a member of the European Union will grow – perhaps dramatically so. This gloomy prognosis is due partly to measures already in the EU pipeline as a result of the EU Constitution and Enlargement and partly because Britain is locked into a regional bloc in unmistakable long term economic decline.'

The article goes on to estimate the cost of regulation coming fom Brussels, giving a total in excess of £100 bn.

This of course ignores the cost to our freedoms and social upheaval of membership.

The Nationalist

I seem to see lots of confusion of what UKIP is and what it is doing.

I have heard people saying UKIP believes in multiculturalism and from others that they don’t. I have heard UKIP wants the same as the Conservatives but without the EU and from others that they are a soft version of the BNP. Members of the party regularly change from conservative to UKIP or from UKIP to BNP.

Looking at the policies and manifesto it meets all the criteria for a nationalist organisation and is widely accepted as nationalist by members of the BNP.

I don’t really know where most members stand with there ideology in UKIP and I think they are also confused. There is no real guide and it seems that it has been set up to appeal to the greatest field of ideologies and political opinion. Perhaps someone can enlighten me on what UKIP is really aiming for other than no EU.

If you want to read up on nationalism and the basic definitions of other ideologies I would suggest “An English Nationalism” by Tony Linsell.

mrabody

Steve Allison has been trying to do that.

Unionist

You are confusing the costs of EU membership and how much we pay to the EU in the same sentence. I have put up two posts above emphasising the difference between these two things.

The Civitas analysis is a calculation of the overall cost of EU membership, taking into account all factors such as regulation, the external tariff and so on. That is not the same as how much we pay the EU.

Besides, as Anthony has argued, little consideration is ever given to how much of these costs would be incurred anyway outside the EU.

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B.A.Ware

On one hand i could agree with you if UKIP came out as a single issue pressure party but it doesn't it proclaims to be a full policed national party yet in a time when we have a housing crisis, food bills rising, gas and electricity going through the roof, exorbitant fuel prices and just to add insult to injury the government are going to bring in draconian environmental taxes on cars even if you bought them years before people knew about so called global warming.

What is UKIPs answer to the real problems that affect real people bring out a leaflet that saying leaving the EU will be the magic solution.

I have been campaign manager for my local parliamentary candidate i have stood for the council in the last two local elections, i have spoken to the people this is where the difference lies i have listened to the people unlike UKIP.
Don't get me wrong i was as naive as some of the more loyal ukippers on here thinking that once we explain to people how the EU controls our lives (post office closures, land fill taxes, EU immigration etc) they would all wake up and see sense.

I GUARANTEE they will not people live in insular worlds they care about their lives and how you are going to help them with issues such as education, health, crime, taxes, housing, they don't care about the fishing industry they don't care about the common agricultural policy they don't even care if we have a million poles here because they think its good for business put it this way if a polish plumber was going to fit your bathroom and it was £500 cheaper would you say NO.

This has and always will be the problem with UKIP it does not address the real needs of the people, it is not professional enough to realise that people are looking for a fourth way a party that embraces EU cooperation a party that is fair for all communities that will not segregate people because of their ethnicity gender or sexual orientation, a party that represents the people whiteout prejudice.


Until UKIP start addressing peoples real needs you can expect the same election results as we have had recently.

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a swansong 4 europe

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...........yawn........yet another example of the sort of cr*p we had to put out years ago before the 2001 GE election and yet another example of why the UKIP is NOT a political party but simply a pressure group that is totally UNABLE and UNWILLING to fight and fight hard for other issues when it is necessary and without recourse (as it does) to blaming the EU for everything.

It is not the EU's fault we have a mass population of fckwitted voters that can't tell the difference between their socialist asses and conservative elbows.

mrabody

I tend to agree. Many people in UKIP are beginning to wake up to what needs to be done. And there is nothing stopping local branchs from designing their own leaflets.