a swansong 4 europe

Don't let Wowbanger know it'll take 6 years, he expects results in 6 months.

As for 6 years, I think it might take a touch longer than that, although changing interational and economic conditions will prove an area that as yet, UKIP has not even explored or discussed, and continues to go on and on and on and on and on and on about the EU on its website.

UKIP is not a political party, it never really was, and even now, hasn't got a clue about campaigning

T.N.Warry

How refreshing to be able to say I agree with alot of what Swansong and Millennium say. I wonder if this thread will attract comments from the Nigel sycophants?

Millennium3

I am reasonably aware of the difficulties - what glimmer of hope there is - is very dim.

a swansong 4 europe

Well, at least we are here and we can talk about it. Isn't that the best medicine - laughter!

Nigel must be an awfully funny man, he creases UKIP's prospects up everytime.

Millennium3

The best medicine would be action.

a swansong 4 europe

Laughing is quite an active exercise. Maybe that is what UKIP needs; for its activists to go about their business telling jokes about the "did you hear about the EU donkey and the vicar's wife..." etc and knock on doors whilst in the throws of a laughing fit and explain it as a reaction to Britain's diminishing self governance.

I jest, of course.

Millennium3

It would help if NF accepted he is a useless leader, but a good salesman [whilst he has his liberty]. The movement needs a leader in the UK who is with the troops - encouraging them, posting leaflets, talking to people on the doorsteps ...

Stephen Booth

In my opinion it really boils down to membership numbers. If enough active people joined UKIP, this would start to bring results in terms of local council elections. You need to start at that level. The key thing then would be to get the party to function with honesty and integrity at a local level. This would bear electoral results, (people will vote for, and respect honesty) but it would also feed through into the broader ethos of the party. Eventually, if and where things were going wrong at the top levels of the party, the membership would be strong enough to stop this from happening, and to replace the bad leaders with better ones. They would have the financial and organisational strength to do this.

Supposing though, that Europe began to collapse because of its own internal dissensions. This Ireland No vote, the Sarkozy / Mendleson spat, the Czech and Polish leaders refusing to ratify, some kind of French versus Germany trouble, or the northern countries falling out with the Mediterranean countries, the Eastern Europe bloc against the original EU countries, etc etc. I think this is quite likely as a scenario. How is UKIP positioned so as to take advantage of such a process if it happens?

The other possibility, is that pressures external to the EU, like the oil crisis, or the War On terror come against it and destroy it from outside.

Fundamentally it is important to undermine the public perception of the EU. The Irish 'Don't be bullied' campaign seemed to draw all the various 'No' factions together, in that regard. The British people who don't like Europe are a whole lot more numerous and powerful than they think they are. It is a matter of activity and application.....

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Millennium3

I think there is a saying along the lines that if you have two objectives - you have no objective.

twizzel

A cull of the leadership might help