HULKMAN

So Clive Page did not obtain benefits by deceit? So he was not found guilty and fined? Is that what you are saying?

I hope he never seeks election in the area where he did this. 'Vote for me Clive Page, the man who claimed taxpayers money he was not entitled to'

Peterc

Still await your call Aardvark!!

Geoffrey Collier

tamashi: With immediate access to senior Party members, can we assume that you are a paid UKIP/EU servant?

While the N.E Region, has always been difficult territory for us, surely a conviction in a Newcastle court against one of our EU paid Party servants, has not been an electoral asset?

If Christopher Gill assures you that no deposit/admin charge exemptions were made, can we assume that the NEC will be unable to obtain a authoriative contradiction of that statement from a senior Party member?

Was not the East-Midlabnd's t/v arrangement cancelled, not because of booking difficulties, but because of personal disagreements between those personnel appointed to attend?

Why must we have told to us lie after lie?

Aardvark

..but why am I calling you? I believe you are you, but I am very sceptical on this forum about people's true identities.

Blokes get banned and sign in using the wife's e-mail and a new ID. There are people here who reply to some of their posts in different names and sometimes become confused. People sign in from the UK claiming to be Yanks. There is a lot of disinformation going around and your IP is shared with 2 other posters who have posted recently (office computer no doubt). People frequently re-register when they have no mates to support them. Other people clearly sit together in a room and take it in turns to log in and out and join in debates.

It's actually quite funny to watch.

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"I do not wish to form my opinions by thoughtlessly quoting others; I wish others to support their opinions by sensibly quoting me." Paul Wesson (Aardvark) 13th April 2008

mrabody

Hmmm, I'm wondering who the two other posters could be who are using the same computer?

tamashi

You are free to assume anything you like! After all you seem to make much more serious assumptions on much flimzier evidence than someone's ability to speak on a telephone!

I appreciate that the best by-election result UKIP has ever had, plus 80% North East Says No Referendum killing the Elected Regional Assembly roll out, plus two Hartlepool Councilors does make the North East difficult territory for UKIP but the ONLY place I've ever heard this issue being discussed is on this forum, after all Clive Page isn't actually standing for election himself is he!

You are free to assume anything you like! and as in the past I'm sure that assumption will cast UKIP in the worst possible light.

You obviously know more about this than I do. Can we assume Geoffrey that your obvious access to inside knowledge and frequent references to information from Senior Party Members means that you too are a paid UKIP/EU servant?

It appears to me that your definition of a lie is anything that you don't agree with or anything that dosen't fit into the elaborate facisimilie of reality which you have constructed around yourself. You make assumptions, invest in them your absolute belief but when the assumptions fail a reality check you fall back on claiming "it's all lies"

Geoffrey Collier

Tamashi: I am afraid that making assumptions on little evidence is not a failing of mine.
It was a magnificent result in the NE. concerning the Regional Assembly. Was the problem about UKIP's donation to Steve Herron eventually 'sorted out'? We claimed to have sent a substantial donation, but it did not appear, apparently, on the recipients accounts. I am sure that kind of thing could damage public confidence, and must be avoided at all costs in the future.

Don't worry about Mr Gill being asked certain questions at the NEC. What I can say, is that his currents assurance, does not coincide with the truth. No, I am not in remunerated employment by those whom you identified; would you like to give a similar truthful denial?

Could you give an example of my inability to produce evidence to support my claims or, at least, name an authority or agency who are in possession of the same?

I don't think that you could?

tamashi

It dosen't matter what I say really, you'll only believe what you want to believe.

HULKMAN

Mr Collier makes some very good points. You would do well to listen to him. At least he is not prepared to ignore the problems facing UKIP. Anyone who can allow a benefit crook to stay as press officer does not deserve the trust of the voters.

Bob FM

GC you have never provided any evidence of wrong doing, merely innuendo, third party speak, supposition and nought else. As for Page. It was known of his past when he was employed, it was not hidden, and given the law does not allow spent conviction under the RoO Act to be considered with certain exceptions then what is the problem, other than in some peoples minds. The problem with our benefits system is you can be prosecuted for a Government agencies mistake. FACT.